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You know, I feel much better about the last ten minutes of The Waters of Mars after a startling revelation, on the way home from the library today, that the new, darker Doctor is paving the way for the inevitable Bruce Campbell!Doctor.

Yes he is. Think about it. Ten is much, much older than any of the other Doctors and has been through a lot more, yes? In fact he's almost at the same point in his regenerative cycle, though perhaps not the same age, as the Master was when we first saw him conquering planets and things. And, compounded with the fact that the Valeyard is supposed to be from between the Doctor's twelfth and final regenerations, there's certainly credence to the theory that Time Lords start to go bad and lose their restraint over their power as they get older. Indeed, perhaps that's why the regeneration limit was even imposed!

So, naturally, this means as the Doctor gets older, he's going to go madder. He'll start losing respect for his principles, or obeying them in name only (as when he technically didn't break his self-imposed order not to kill with the Family of Blood, opting instead to torture them forever). He'll see himself as the only thing standing between the universe and chaos, and will see fit to impose his will when things aren't going his way. Eventually, even the principle of nonviolence may be thrown out for the greater good.

I can't help but be reminded of a certain Ash Williams, surrounded by his own demon-possessed friends and loved ones (oh, and eventually zombie hoards) and as such rapidly descending from average student to chainsaw-wielding psycho with possibly the most one-liners-per-minute rate in history.

That's right. By the time we hit Thirteen, the Doctor will be so heady with his own power, so warped by everything he's seen and done, that he'll have transformed, literally and figuratively, into Ash circa Army of Darkness. Good, bad, he's the guy with the gun sonic screwdriver.

Disclaimer: I don't actually advocate this, I don't actually like Waters-of-Mars-dark Doctor, and yes, I'm well aware that having the Doctor as a shotgun-toting badass is completely missing the point of the character. But it does make me feel a lot better about a plot development I was previously rather angry about if I can console myself that it will eventually result in Bruce Campbell, Time Lord.

And, really, I'd just like to see that anyway. The idea of a technically-pacifist character played by Campbell is so insane it wraps all the way back around to being awesome again.


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Obligatory navel-gazing: I seem to have this problem where I don't become comfortable with certain subject matter (killing off some characters, for example, or some kinks) until I've written it myself. Otherwise I don't even want to read it. This presents problems because, unless I read other examples of whatever it is I'm uncomfortable with, I have no real way of knowing how to write said subject matter correctly, or what lines, descriptions, etc have already been used and abused. And so I find myself in a bind.

Sigh. Oh, for the days when writing was easy. And inevitably very bad, because I was all of fourteen and that's probably why it was easy.

Also, while I've been writing up my research report, I have been screencapping "Mayhem of the Music Meister", and so soon as I have another long night ahead of me I have a picspam planned. Because I feel like I need to prove that a musical episode of Batman actually exists, and that I'm not just making the whole thing up. Also because the new season of The Brave and the Bold has started and I need someone to squee about it with, and picspams are excellent for pimping fandoms, yes?

To work, to work.
Mood:: 'amused' amused
Music:: some banya thing or another
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posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 05:23am on 02/12/2009
"So, naturally, this means as the Doctor gets older, he's going to go madder."

I personally would weep with joy.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 03:50pm on 02/12/2009
See, I...wouldn't. I want to like the Doctor - I'm used to liking the Doctor, flaws and all - and I find characters who waver and make mistakes and come close to breaking but *don't* much more interesting than those that do. Broken characters are fun, yeah, but there's comparatively little attention devoted to how people heal and redeem themselves and I find that fascinating.

That, and most of my experience with characters cracking under strain has been from awful, trying-too-hard Darker And Edgier fic and spinoffs, so I kind of got unfairly turned off the trope.

But if he ended up going so crazy he became Crazy Awesome instead? That, I might be able to get behind. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 09:17pm on 02/12/2009
I don't want him to go all evil overlord, but I don't think that's the kind of crazy he is anyway. But nicely deranged has been threatening to happen for so long and it is that sneaking potential that I love so very, very much. I would probably like him for the madness. XD I like watching and writing a good story about people bringing them up from the dredges, but the Doctor's story just...looks like an extended meltdown stretching across millenia. He could lapse into it and fight it off in a repeating pattern until death finally comes, that's fine, but he's pretty fucking insane and I love that about him. He's our protagonist, turning his nose up at the stuffiness of his society (even while he proudly considers himself part of it), but on the other side, I like getting these glimpses into the fact that when the authorities call him a "renegade," they're not just being stubbornly traditional and there's a bit of a reason why he gets listed with (albeit more destructive) certain other members of his class.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 03:36pm on 02/12/2009
This theory gets 12 times funnier if the only thing you've seen Bruce Campbell in is Xena: Warrior Princess. IDK if you've seen him-- he plays Autolycus, a conman/thief, and IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER EVER*. I giggle and clap my hands like a five year old when he comes onscreen, it's redonk. In one episode, he pretends to be a Baptist preacher and is so deplorable that the entire town does a 180 on their moral code and lets people dance again.**

So yes, Bruce Campbell can be my Doctor any day.



* Except for maybe Callisto, but I love her in an entirely different more naked way.
**This is the episode where Gabby bitches the whole time because she needs a new pair of shoes and Xena is ridiculously unsympathetic.
Edited Date: 2009-12-02 03:42 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 02/12/2009
I knew he was in it, but I'd never seen an episode with him. Let me go Google Image Search --

...oh my god, he has a mustache. And a soul patch. A little triangular soul patch! I just don't even know how to deal with that. I think it is time for me to Watch More Xena.

And see, that backs up my theory even more! Because he has played a trickster character, a category the Doctor certainly falls into even if he's marginally more principled than most Tricksters. MAKE IT HAPPEN, BBC. Make. It. Happen.

 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 04:51pm on 02/12/2009
"Watch More Xena" is a good idea all around, really. I've been intending to watch some episodes with Cupid so I can explode my brain with X-over ideas, but I'm fairly sure my self-discipline would falter and I'd end up looking up the Callisto episodes or Autolycus episodes instead. After I watched "Adventures in the Sin Trade," of course, which is one of the best two-parters the show has produced (imho.) It's rich, glorious, and very dramatic, what I imagine Norse fairy tales to be like. There's also a plotline from silly fantasy subgenre of "Marry Sue ends up in Middle Earth!" but it's included as an aside, really, just a montage fable, and that makes it intriguing. also the two-parter has a lot of Borias and i do not have an enormous crush on Marton Csokas really i do not so shush.

Sorry for the tl;dr, but I keep forgetting how much I love Xena. It's so very, very bad at points (there's one producer in particular who just RUINS THINGS and he always has an Asian theme, which SUCKS because Chinese mythology is so awesome but this guy is such a hack) but when it's good, it's terribly, terribly good. Or fucking hilarious. And sometimes both.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:17pm on 02/12/2009
Who plays Cupid that it would allow for so many crossover ideas? Or is Cupid just good for crossovers in general?

Martin Csokas is in this too? Oh damn why am I not already watching this show. Seriously I watched a couple episodes when I was wee and then never sought it out again. That was very stupid of me. Anyway, "Adventures in the Sin Trade" is noted for when I do get around to watching it. Can I jump right into that one or should I watch in order?

there's one producer in particular who just RUINS THINGS and he always has an Asian theme, which SUCKS because Chinese mythology is so awesome but this guy is such a hack

WHY DOES THAT ALWAYS HAPPEN. I can't think of any show or movie that uses Chinese themes that wasn't actually made by a Chinese director that's worth a damn. People skip over the real mythology and culture and put in the same Orientalizing shorthand about dragons and kung fu and emperors and HONOR and crap. It's so disappointing, especially because it's so prevalent.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 05:31pm on 02/12/2009

Paging Doctor Luuuuuuuuv!
he also plays Caesar and CRUCIFIES XENA WTF DUDE because they're ex-lovers and it ended badly.



Csokas played Borias, Xena's ex-lover back from before she was Redeemed!(TM) and was all evil and extra hot and stuff.* Adventures in the Sin Trade is just fine to jump right in; it's like a little movie on its own, and all you need to know is that Gabby died at the finale of the previous season so Xena's pulling an Orpheus. It's awesome.

*This may not be in AitST, but there is An Episode which contains A Scene in which there is A Bear Skin and also A Bare Skin. If you know what I mean.


the same Orientalizing shorthand about dragons and kung fu and emperors and HONOR and crap.
Check, check, check, and check. Though there was that one episode about Daoism where Xena turned into an evil rabbit.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 10:28pm on 02/12/2009
...whaaaaaat.

I...asldksifihfa what.

I like this show already.

He's blond, what the hell.

So wait, was Borias or Xena evil and extra hot? I mean, either answer is an excellent one, I just thought I'd clarify. And I'd completely forgotten that Xena had been Redeemed!, wow. It's startling how little about this show, considering it was on right when I started to watch TV.

Though there was that one episode about Daoism where Xena turned into an evil rabbit.

I am not sure whether to react to that statement with laughs or trepidation.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 10:48pm on 02/12/2009
He had to be blonde so he could be a blonde bimbo. Perfectly logical.

Really, I wish they'd bleached it a couple more times so it was pretty and platinum instead of that sad yellow. You can do that without frying the hair (you were around when I bleached Ericka's, right?) and anyways he's a boy. If worst comes to worst you can shave his head and it'll grow back in a couple of months.

But, alas, nobody asked me.



They were BOTH evil and hot! :D Xena first appeared and was redeemed on Hercules, actually, and then became a spinoff. The two shows would swap characters back and for the rest of their runs; I never watched Hercules but it was probably pretty neat.

Admittedly, most of my Xena knowledge comes from watching the box sets summer after freshman year. I don't remember a whole lot from watching its first run, though I know it was part of my schedule.



I am not sure whether to react to that statement with laughs or trepidation.
I don't know, either. It's one of those episodes that tries to be really deep (not one of the crack episodes) and I honestly can't remember if they pulled it off. I do remember there were buck teeth involved. You can tell that Lucy Lawless came onto the set that day, read the script, said "What the everloving fuck?" then laughed her ass off. What else can ya do? She had babies to feed. :/
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:06am on 04/12/2009
Really, I wish they'd bleached it a couple more times so it was pretty and platinum instead of that sad yellow.

Me too! I mean, I don't object to him being blonde - I think it worked...okay in LotR, even if they still didn't dye his face fuzz - but it looks really bleached and fake here, and I think if they'd gone a couple shades lighter and shaved him a bit more thoroughly it might have looked nice. As it is...well, I'll deal with it because it's Karl Urban, what can I say.

I remember a few more episodes of Hercules than I do of Xena, because I remember Kevin Sorbo being in something without his mere presence being an in-joke. Not much beyond that, though.

You can tell that Lucy Lawless came onto the set that day, read the script, said "What the everloving fuck?" then laughed her ass off. What else can ya do? She had babies to feed. :/

Really, when you're starring in any kind of TV fantasy/SF, you're going to get episodes like that. I think any actor who goes into genre practices their game face and says lines like "By Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be AVENGED!!" in the mirror in a dead serious voice for practice.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 05:43am on 04/12/2009
I don't think you can bleach face fuzz? And also I think his stubble is just too virile. It's like, "FUCK YOU, RAZOR. I LIVE ON KARL URBAN'S FACE."*


* LIKE YOUR MOM!!! What? How was I supposed to resist that?



Lucy Lawless actually did a fantastic job being an evil rabbit. I think I listened to the commentary on that one and apparently the buck teeth were all her, no prosthetics.

But your observation about the Sons of Warvan still stands. Listen, do yourself a favor and DON'T check out Karl Urban's back-catalogue. He's a sci-fi fan, ok? He took those roles on purpose. "Cheesy" doesn't begin to cover it.
Edited Date: 2009-12-04 05:43 am (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:59am on 04/12/2009
I don't think you can bleach face fuzz?

Really? Huh. I figured it wouldn't be much harder than dying eyebrows or something, since both are on the face, but I suppose fuzz grows back much faster.

And also I think his stubble is just too virile. It's like, "FUCK YOU, RAZOR. I LIVE ON KARL URBAN'S FACE."

He's one of those people who has a five-o-clock shadow even clean-shaven, I suspect. Permastubble, if you will.

I AM STARTING TO MISS YOUR MOM JOKES. That scares me, Kaylie. That *scares* me.

He's a sci-fi fan, ok? He took those roles on purpose. "Cheesy" doesn't begin to cover it.

The fact that he agreed to be in the Doom movie alone tell me that. I wonder if he asked to be the guy with the first-person-shooting scene.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 05:39pm on 02/12/2009
Here's a cap that shows the wings. Aren't they precious?

The woman is Aphrodite. I can't remember if the show made them siblings or lovers (I know Cupid has a baby in one episode) but I remember them always being cute onscreen together. They're both played as surfer bimbos and at one point Aphrodite kidnaps Gabby for a sleepover because she doesn't have any friends of her own.

I would like to state for the record that I did not watch Xena solely for the boobs. That is a ridiculous assertion.
Edited Date: 2009-12-02 05:40 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 04:38am on 04/12/2009
Aww, they're all little and feathery and really shouldn't be able to support a man-sized thing but who cares.

I can't remember if the show made them siblings or lovers

I have officially been in fandom too long, because my first reaction was to be puzzled why they couldn't be both. And aww, Aphrodite's adorable! I like her and her sleepovers already.

I would like to state for the record that I did not watch Xena solely for the boobs.

From what I can see, the boobs in this show are frankly magnificent, so I wouldn't blame you at all if you had. Not that I'm saying you did. Not at all.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 05:55am on 04/12/2009
THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN BOTH! They're both gods of love, and this is Greco-Roman mythology. I say it's practically canon.


It amuses me that technically, there are two sets of boobs in that picture. Also, between this pic and the entirety of his performance in The Irrefutable Truth About Demons, I am convinced that Karl Urban's nipples are perpetually hard.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:10am on 04/12/2009
Also, between this pic and the entirety of his performance in The Irrefutable Truth About Demons, I am convinced that Karl Urban's nipples are perpetually hard.

See, you tell me not to check his back catalog, and they you tell me about his nipples in an amusingly-named movie. Quit it with the mixed signals. :(

I feel like closer examination of the rather tight and stretchy Starfleet uniforms is called for in this case.

See, due to the kind of stuff I've been talking about in this LJ lately, I found myself marveling at what a tiny waist he's got and wondering how he'd look in a corset. I think I need help.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 06:13am on 04/12/2009
Ah, see, the ITaD is a notable exception. It's awesome and I love it and watched it 3 times in a row after I downloaded it.


Sadly, the Starfleet uniforms have two shirts-- the colored shirt and a black undershirt. So I think a closer examination would prove to be disappointing. :(



I think he would look fabulous, especially after Gaila tells him to hold onto the bedpost while she tightens it. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:24am on 04/12/2009
Oooh. I'll have to check it out once I can rent movies and things again. And he's playing an anthropologist, or so IMDB tells me! I don't know why that makes it better but it does.

I'm getting so predictable. :D :D :D
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 06:25am on 04/12/2009
He plays a naked anthropologist.

Important distinction.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:35am on 04/12/2009
...and for some reason (probably because it's late) I somehow made the cognitive leap from "naked anthropologist" to "nudist" and am imagining Karl Urban starring in a movie as a nudist advocating for acceptance of a clothes-free lifestyle even while doing his field work.

I'm afraid I have no way to explain myself.
 
posted by [identity profile] kayliemalinza.livejournal.com at 06:36am on 04/12/2009
But it's Karl Urban so this movie shall have to incorporate some fantasy or sci-fi elements.

I suggest you brainstorm on that. You know, while you're snuggled up in bed anyway.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 04:55am on 06/12/2009
I'VE GOT IT. Nudist anthropologist takes part in a population study and discovers that substantial numbers of the human population for the past 50 years are actually being KIDNAPPED BY ALIENS OMG.

Oh, shush, it's finals time, I'm not feeling terribly imaginative.
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posted by [identity profile] srevans.livejournal.com at 06:02pm on 02/12/2009
so I skimmed everything about the post and comments cause I only have a minute, but:
I can't think of any show or movie that uses Chinese themes that wasn't actually made by a Chinese director that's worth a damn.

AVATAR. is the greatest. like it's spectacular.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 04:54am on 06/12/2009
I'd hear about the non-RaceFailyness of Avatar (though I neglected to mention it - thanks for the reminder), but the sad thing is it's the only one I can come up with. Movies, live-action TV, nothing. A couple of video games like Okami manage not to be Orientalising, but overall it's a pretty grim figure.

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