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stunt_muppet at 12:07am on 05/04/2009 under bouncing ideas off y'all, doctor who, fanfics, meta blather, music, neat stuff in the comments, things i want to write, tv, writing
1. So I finally saw Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, approximately a year or whatever after I was supposed to have seen it.
1. Neil Patrick Harris is like a cherub made flesh. I want to pinch his cheeks and ruffle his hair and bake him cookies and tell him that it really is all going to be okay, he can be the biggest baddest supervillain ever if he wants to be.
1.a. That said, he has a distressingly sexy evil laugh in Act III. I respect a man who can pull off an evil laugh. And a diabolical smirk. While singing.
2. Other people with lovely singing voices: Nathan Fillion and Felicia Day. I really liked Penny's singing voice, especially in "On the Rise", and Captain Hammer...oh lordy. On the one hand, I wish that singing voice could be put to other purpose besides proclaiming what a jackass he is. On the other hand, "What a Man's Gotta Do" and his epic posing were delightful, and I could see "Everyone's a Hero" as a comment on institutionalized prejudice when I wasn't laughing in a rather horrified fashion. Oh, dear.
3. That said, my favorite part of the entire series might be Bad Horse's inexplicable cowboy chorus. I loved them. Especially during the phone call.
3.a. Actually, listening to it again, "Brand New Day" might be my favorite part of the series. Cowboy Chorus comes in close second. Sorry guys.
4. WHEDON. WHEDON. WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. Like about how long you can trot out the "feminist" credentials despite killing off female characters so they can serve as a plot/characterization device. Not that I didn't see Penny's death coming, because it's you, and that's kind of what you do except for that one time you mixed things up by killing off the husband, but seriously, that was the most physically implausible Girlfriend Refrigeration I think I've ever seen.
I want to think it's some kind of meta point you're making, on how the female must die in these male-centric stories, no matter how whacked-out the cause, because she's merely a device of the origin story rather than any kind of character with any kind of agency in her own right and it's her job to die so the hero/villain can be spurred into action. But...thing is, except for the "nation mourns what's-her-name headline, you really played it too straight for me to see it that way. It just looks like yet another freaking woman in the refrigerator.
And that is not cool.
4.a. Truth is, I'd be interested in fic where Captain Hammer was the one to die in the explosion instead of Penny, and, by killing the city's hero, Dr. Horrible gets accepted into the Evil League anyway, trying to take Penny with him. He certainly wouldn't be the same Dr. Horrible that we see at the end of Act III - he'd be much less committed and probably more amenable to changing sides - and Penny gets to have some agency in her interactions with him, by trying to talk him down; by interacting with him; eventually, maybe, by leading an effort to stop him, since she has access to him in a way that no one else does and she knows what has to be done.
Er. Does anyone feel like writing this? Tell me I don't have to do it myself.
5. On a less RAEG-y note: can I please, please, please go back to the 70's and get a job playing supervillains? I want that job so badly.
6. ...so there are Doctor Who vids to these songs, yes? I'm sure there are. There must be.
So that was fun. Best part was, it topped off a day of going to dinner with friends, walking around outside, clustering around friends' computers watching Muppets shorts, and just...generally feeling much better than I have been. Note to self: getting outside and spending time with people: it helps.
I even managed a tiny bit of writing (finally), though little of any consequence. Refreshingly, most of it was stuff that I'm actually supposed to be working on, although I have a feeling that trying to avoid looking at fic-writing as an obligation will do something to lighten the load and help me have a more positive outlook on things.
I've got an outline together-ish for Chapter 2 of Experiment, laid out day by day, but I'm still not sure what sort of emotional climax I want them to reach - if any, because Liz and Three just don't seem the type for emotional climaxes, even of the non-dramatic sort. More for quiet, sober admissions that living like a human simply isn't going to work for the Doctor and there's nothing he or anybody else can do about that. But I still have to fulfill the prompt, and the prompt specified that the Doctor, if he could, would almost want to be able to live like a human with her, and that's...much more overtly romantic than I think I'm comfortable getting with them.
The main thins I'm not sure about, though, is how much I want Liz to help him adjust - by trying to get him to see things from a different perspective, for example. I believe it was
eponymous_rose's meta I read it in, but it's a good point: Liz doesn't push the Doctor the way the Brig or Jo does. She disagrees with him and calls him out when she thinks he's wrong, but she doesn't offer quite the same incentive for him to change his behavior as they do. It's why I was so hesitant for her to even suggest that he take a break in Chapter 1 - it didn't seem right to me that she'd be so forthcoming. On the other hand, she does worry about him (see Inferno), so I suppose she could have made that suggestion out of concern for him, which is what I was hoping to play up.
But I don't know where to go from there, whether she tries to engage him and get him used to living on Earth or if she just sort of steps back and lets him work it out on his own. The latter seems more likely, but it takes what used to be a vaguely cracked story on a downright depressing path: the Doctor and Liz have fun sharing a space for a while, debating theoretical physics and accidentally setting the lab on fire; eventually, they stop having any fun with it as the Doctor gets moodier and grumpier and more tired of living like a human, but Liz doesn't say anything about it and neither does he, save routine grumps; eventually he starts working on his TARDIS again before the week is out because he simply doesn't know what else to do with himself, and Liz quietly suggests that he should move back out since this obviously isn't helping.
Realistic, but gloomy.
Anyway, I also worked on the plot summary for "Nothing Up My Sleeve" - again, sorry it's taking so long to get it out there. The middle is still a big, puzzling blank, and attempts to write my robot!villain!OC out of the ending aren't going so successfully, but we'll see how it goes. Perhaps that's what I shall do during homework breaks tomorrow.
A few sentences added on to "Kama" and "Nothing Lasts" as well, since I've completely given up on trying to structure them and am just putting down whatever poetical vaugely-on-topic nonsense comes into my head in the order it arrives, presumably to be arranged in some sort of order before posting. WHY DO I FAIL AT DOCTOR/MASTER WHY WHY WHY.
Polly/Benton also has a few more sentences to its name, but UNIT dating is, as it so frequently does, ruining my fun. It'd make everything much easier if Benton was still serving at UNIT in 1986, when the events of The Tenth Planet took place -
Oh. Oh hey, I just got a different idea. Does anyone have any idea when Invasion of the Dinosaurs takes place? It'd be sometime in the seventies or thereabouts, right? And we know Benton's still serving then because he's you know, in the episode and all.
That makes my life much easier. And it still allows me to use The Tenth Planet without having to bork TV canon to do it, even though I'm really not fond of TV canon as it relates to Benton anyway. :(
And, um, I am working on a kinkmeme prompt again. Well, I'm supposed to be working on several, but there's another one I've picked up. I tried writing it in an hour, but that didn't really work, since it's taking a pairing that I normally see as very fluffy and sweet and making it twisted and kinky and bizarre and also it involves a character subbing who...requires some mental gymnastics to imagine subbing, at least to this particular other character as the dom. Maybe I'll ponder it further under filter, but anyway the point is I've got to stop committing to kinkmeme prompts because I fail a bit at kinkmeme.
Aaaaand it's way later than I thought it was. Off to bed with me, and I really, really cannot neglect my laundry tomorrow.
1. Neil Patrick Harris is like a cherub made flesh. I want to pinch his cheeks and ruffle his hair and bake him cookies and tell him that it really is all going to be okay, he can be the biggest baddest supervillain ever if he wants to be.
1.a. That said, he has a distressingly sexy evil laugh in Act III. I respect a man who can pull off an evil laugh. And a diabolical smirk. While singing.
2. Other people with lovely singing voices: Nathan Fillion and Felicia Day. I really liked Penny's singing voice, especially in "On the Rise", and Captain Hammer...oh lordy. On the one hand, I wish that singing voice could be put to other purpose besides proclaiming what a jackass he is. On the other hand, "What a Man's Gotta Do" and his epic posing were delightful, and I could see "Everyone's a Hero" as a comment on institutionalized prejudice when I wasn't laughing in a rather horrified fashion. Oh, dear.
3. That said, my favorite part of the entire series might be Bad Horse's inexplicable cowboy chorus. I loved them. Especially during the phone call.
3.a. Actually, listening to it again, "Brand New Day" might be my favorite part of the series. Cowboy Chorus comes in close second. Sorry guys.
4. WHEDON. WHEDON. WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. Like about how long you can trot out the "feminist" credentials despite killing off female characters so they can serve as a plot/characterization device. Not that I didn't see Penny's death coming, because it's you, and that's kind of what you do except for that one time you mixed things up by killing off the husband, but seriously, that was the most physically implausible Girlfriend Refrigeration I think I've ever seen.
I want to think it's some kind of meta point you're making, on how the female must die in these male-centric stories, no matter how whacked-out the cause, because she's merely a device of the origin story rather than any kind of character with any kind of agency in her own right and it's her job to die so the hero/villain can be spurred into action. But...thing is, except for the "nation mourns what's-her-name headline, you really played it too straight for me to see it that way. It just looks like yet another freaking woman in the refrigerator.
And that is not cool.
4.a. Truth is, I'd be interested in fic where Captain Hammer was the one to die in the explosion instead of Penny, and, by killing the city's hero, Dr. Horrible gets accepted into the Evil League anyway, trying to take Penny with him. He certainly wouldn't be the same Dr. Horrible that we see at the end of Act III - he'd be much less committed and probably more amenable to changing sides - and Penny gets to have some agency in her interactions with him, by trying to talk him down; by interacting with him; eventually, maybe, by leading an effort to stop him, since she has access to him in a way that no one else does and she knows what has to be done.
Er. Does anyone feel like writing this? Tell me I don't have to do it myself.
5. On a less RAEG-y note: can I please, please, please go back to the 70's and get a job playing supervillains? I want that job so badly.
6. ...so there are Doctor Who vids to these songs, yes? I'm sure there are. There must be.
So that was fun. Best part was, it topped off a day of going to dinner with friends, walking around outside, clustering around friends' computers watching Muppets shorts, and just...generally feeling much better than I have been. Note to self: getting outside and spending time with people: it helps.
I even managed a tiny bit of writing (finally), though little of any consequence. Refreshingly, most of it was stuff that I'm actually supposed to be working on, although I have a feeling that trying to avoid looking at fic-writing as an obligation will do something to lighten the load and help me have a more positive outlook on things.
I've got an outline together-ish for Chapter 2 of Experiment, laid out day by day, but I'm still not sure what sort of emotional climax I want them to reach - if any, because Liz and Three just don't seem the type for emotional climaxes, even of the non-dramatic sort. More for quiet, sober admissions that living like a human simply isn't going to work for the Doctor and there's nothing he or anybody else can do about that. But I still have to fulfill the prompt, and the prompt specified that the Doctor, if he could, would almost want to be able to live like a human with her, and that's...much more overtly romantic than I think I'm comfortable getting with them.
The main thins I'm not sure about, though, is how much I want Liz to help him adjust - by trying to get him to see things from a different perspective, for example. I believe it was
But I don't know where to go from there, whether she tries to engage him and get him used to living on Earth or if she just sort of steps back and lets him work it out on his own. The latter seems more likely, but it takes what used to be a vaguely cracked story on a downright depressing path: the Doctor and Liz have fun sharing a space for a while, debating theoretical physics and accidentally setting the lab on fire; eventually, they stop having any fun with it as the Doctor gets moodier and grumpier and more tired of living like a human, but Liz doesn't say anything about it and neither does he, save routine grumps; eventually he starts working on his TARDIS again before the week is out because he simply doesn't know what else to do with himself, and Liz quietly suggests that he should move back out since this obviously isn't helping.
Realistic, but gloomy.
Anyway, I also worked on the plot summary for "Nothing Up My Sleeve" - again, sorry it's taking so long to get it out there. The middle is still a big, puzzling blank, and attempts to write my robot!villain!OC out of the ending aren't going so successfully, but we'll see how it goes. Perhaps that's what I shall do during homework breaks tomorrow.
A few sentences added on to "Kama" and "Nothing Lasts" as well, since I've completely given up on trying to structure them and am just putting down whatever poetical vaugely-on-topic nonsense comes into my head in the order it arrives, presumably to be arranged in some sort of order before posting. WHY DO I FAIL AT DOCTOR/MASTER WHY WHY WHY.
Polly/Benton also has a few more sentences to its name, but UNIT dating is, as it so frequently does, ruining my fun. It'd make everything much easier if Benton was still serving at UNIT in 1986, when the events of The Tenth Planet took place -
Oh. Oh hey, I just got a different idea. Does anyone have any idea when Invasion of the Dinosaurs takes place? It'd be sometime in the seventies or thereabouts, right? And we know Benton's still serving then because he's you know, in the episode and all.
That makes my life much easier. And it still allows me to use The Tenth Planet without having to bork TV canon to do it, even though I'm really not fond of TV canon as it relates to Benton anyway. :(
And, um, I am working on a kinkmeme prompt again. Well, I'm supposed to be working on several, but there's another one I've picked up. I tried writing it in an hour, but that didn't really work, since it's taking a pairing that I normally see as very fluffy and sweet and making it twisted and kinky and bizarre and also it involves a character subbing who...requires some mental gymnastics to imagine subbing, at least to this particular other character as the dom. Maybe I'll ponder it further under filter, but anyway the point is I've got to stop committing to kinkmeme prompts because I fail a bit at kinkmeme.
Aaaaand it's way later than I thought it was. Off to bed with me, and I really, really cannot neglect my laundry tomorrow.
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NEIL PATRICK HARRIS SINGS ON SESAME STREET
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There's also that one time when he sings and dances with Elmo, did you see that one? I just about died. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e55Q8rwYXc8)
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brb, ded of cute.
I love how Elmo cracks up at the pajama thing. :P
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Isn't that a pretty thin excuse, though? It's like saying, "I'm doing the exact same thing as everyone else, but I'm not bad like they are!" "Why not?" "Just 'cause!" Of all the OTT-ness of Dr. Horrible (which I surely appreciate) Penny was the least OTT and that, oddly, works against the gender politics here. Maybe it's the actress' fault for making her seem like a real person rather than a parody, idk.
Whedon could be a victim of his past success here, and I'm not asking for him to churn out more Buffys and Rivers (who are problematic in their own right) but could we at least try to raise the lowest standard? Yeesh. Try having a woman who's not defined by who she loves or doesn't love and by who is or isn't
wanting to fuckin love with her. She doesn't have to be kickass or anything, just THERE. Let her sell tacos for all I care.But anyway, maybe I should have another watch of Dr Horrible because I remember some of the songs were really pretty. I need to finish (speaking of gender politics) Battlefield first, though.
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That's what I was saying above - it was played too straight for me to buy it as meta, and even though I think Whedon meant it as meta (probably), I don't think that excuses it if he still bought into the female-as-characterization-device trope. It bothered me, and to be honest, it kind of spoiled Act III for me, because I actually liked Penny in the first two acts. She was defined by the two men, which wasn't cool, but at least she seemed to have outside interests and motivations, and thus an existence outside of them. Of course, those outside motivations cast her as a stereotyped angelic female, but at least they were there, you know?
I'd like more Zoes, myself. She was in a relationship, but I don't think she was ever portrayed as just "Wash's wife". And she had a backbone of iron. But then, I haven't seen the entire series yet, so maybe something really genderfaily happens to her later, idk, but she was tied with Book for my favorite character.
I think, in a way, he is a victim of his past successes; he won praise for being feminist because he wrote female characters who weren't solely plot devices, but now there's this feeling (especially in his fandom, from what I've seen) that Whedon's the most feminist writer out there and he couldn't possibly fail at gender politics. Which...you know...he can. Any writer can.
I seem to remember Battlefield having pretty good gender politics, yes? I mean, you've got Ace, and Shou Yuing, and Brigadier Bambera (!!!), and I can't help it I really sort of adore Doris. It's been a while since I've seen it, though, and I don't think I was really into Old Who when I did. I should rewatch it myself. It's on DVD, isn't it?
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Battlefield is awesome in the first episode on the strength of Brig Bambera alone (especially since it's not commented on or made a big deal of; she's simply THERE and yes, in command) but I was worried that it went sour later or something. Also, SURPRISE LETHBRIDGE-STEWART! :D Also, also, Doris is the blind innkeeper, right? Well she's ALSO the XO IN EARTHSHOCK. I'm totally awesome, not geeky, for picking up on that and you can't tell me otherwise. ^_^ Amazon says it'll be on DVD in a month. Whoo!
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No, Brigadier Bambera stays pretty awesome throughout. And (I'll put the text in white in case you do not want to be spoiled) . And Doris is the Brig's wife, who I thought showed up in Episode 1 but apparently does not. She's awesome. And the Doctor remarks that she "finally caught him" or something like that, which makes me happy because I secretly think the Brig's a bit clueless in affairs of the heart and she probably had to propose to him because he just didn't get it.
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Just a sudden thought-- even Jayne, the most swaggering manly man on Firefly, isn't threatened by Zoe's gender or thinks that she's of for being kickass while female. That's cool. :P (Also, have you met Saffron yet? I <3 Saffron although her gender politics are maybe not as sound.)
AH! Yes, Doris is in the first episode, I just didn't remember her name. She didn't make much of an impression on me other than she was, unfortunately, forced to Provide Exposition. "Do you miss it? Being in UNIT?" as if at some point in the course of BEING HIS WIFE she wouldn't have already found out. For a moment I thought she was just an acquaintance because it didn't make sense otherwise. I'm also not sure how I feel about the Brig being the sort of person who gardens, but that's mostly because I don't understand the appeal. It's better than teaching at a boys school, though.
And lol at the reverse proposal. That's the sort of thing I could see Jo doing, actually. Not to the Brig, though, because that would be silly. >>
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I haven't met Saffron yet. I've heard squeeful things about her, but the only episodes I saw were the pilot and that one where everyone evacuates the ship and you think Mal dies and there's a whole bunch of flashbacks and eventually everyone comes back and Mal doesn't die. I don't remember the title, but it didn't have Saffron in it.
Doris gets an awesome moment or two at the end, which is when I started to like her, but I'll leave them to you to actually witness. And while I' not overly fond of gardening myself, my parents are, and they've tried to explain it to me multiple times, so I think I kind of get the reasoning behind it. Plants' needs are simple; they demand little of you save sunlight, water, and bug-zappers. They look pretty if you grow them right, and if they die it's really not a big deal. Easy, rewarding, and without anybody talking back to you. Far more low-stress than teaching, especially teaching young boys.
I see those shifty eyes at the end of the sentence there, young lady. You're up to something. *peers*
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"Out of Gas" is the episode you saw, and I remember watching it with you. Saffron doesn't show up for several episodes from the beginning, iirc, but you should probably watch in order rather than skipping to that ep because of Character Stuff. (basically, Saffron is an Unknown Element which doesn't have much of an effect if you don't know what everyone else's Default is.)
Ah, ok! I'll look for her nearer to the end, then. I just finished Ep 2 OMGOMG!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!! I am v. worried, but still rather appalled at the BLATANT DISREGARD FOR OLD CRAP that was shown. Archeologists use tiny little chisels and brushes for a reason, guys! Not even Indiana Jones would approve of the use of FRIGGING EXPLOSIVES at an exposed dig. :/
o.o <---- innocent face
You are so suspicious sometimes, honestly. muahahaha
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I...think I would slightly resent that. "But but but this is the only time I have available! Isn't my grade more important than Buffy? ISN'T IT?!" *hysterics ensue*
I'd been planning on watching in order, if/when I got access to the whole series, so that works for me.
Ace is rather marvelous, isn't she? What with her talent for concealed explosives. I thought she was going to be one of those companions who was overhyped and I wouldn't end up liking very much, but she really is that good.
And...um...yeah. At least the Doctor told them to blow up that spot? Kind of? Not really? I'm trying not to give too much away, but yeah, some very dubious archeological practices at work here. Not that dubious practices are anything new to the series, of course.
I am suspicious with very good reason, young lady. Of course, what I'm suspicious about very often ends well for me and/or ends with some rather magnificent Crimes Against Fandom.
Pssh, you know Everyone Ever at UNIT/Everyone Else at UNIT is the for real true OTP; Jo and the Brig are no exceptions.
finally replying now that I've seen all four episodes!
ACE AND SEVEN ARE SO ADORABLE IN BATTLEFIELD.
"We gave her Excalibur."
"Good!"
"Good?"
"Oh, you can get a [something something] sword anywhere. But Aces" [taps nose] "are very rare."
Oh, oh, and Brig saying "I'm sorry Doctor, but I'm sure that I'm more expendable than you are!" BROKE MY HEART. IT BROKE, MUPPET. NOW I HAVE TO SUPERGLUE IT BACK TOGETHER. ;.;
The gender politics of the serial remained pretty good, although I was slightly skeeved by the "Aren't they wonderful?" lines delivered by random men. The women in the serial were still clearly things to be beheld and appreciated by the men, but they got some agency at least. I wasn't altogether happy about Bambera getting knocked out and the Doctor saving Ancelyn from Mordred rather than her, but seeing as it's his show and all I can understand.
You were absolutely right, however, that Doris got some awesome moments at the end. :D I lol'd at "have something delicious ready for us" because in my house? That's how it works. My mom's all, "Yarrrgh, I be off fer a hard day in th' salt mines" and my dad's all like "OK honeybunny!* I'll have dinner ready when you get home!" So when dynamics like that show up in TV I feel comforted. ^_^
Ace was totally rocking the spandex in this serial, btw. Not that it distracted me or anything. I lol that it takes place after the circus serial. Inspired, was she? >P
* he has seriously called her this.
speaking of random Brig pairings, was it you i was arguing two era vs. three era with on the meme last night?
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BROKE MY HEART. IT BROKE, MUPPET. NOW I HAVE TO SUPERGLUE IT BACK TOGETHER. ;.;
I WILL BORROW YOUR SUPERGLUE OMG. I just...I could go on and on and on about how much I love the Doctor/Brig relationship and all its complications and how at the end of the day he really is the Doctor's best friend on Earth and they luff each other soooo much and if the Brig isn't in Ten's regeneration special I will quite possibly cry.
Yeah, the "aren't they wonderful?" lines weren't the greatest, but at least the women got marveled at for doing things, instead of just for looks or whatever, which made me feel somewhat better. A bit like The Invasion, really - "prettier than a computer" was skeevy and objectifying, but the reason the boys are admiring Zoe is because she kicks ass and blows things up, albeit remotely.
IIRC, I think Ace is pretty much always rocking the spandex. It's kind of her thing.
speaking of random Brig pairings, was it you i was arguing two era vs. three era with on the meme last night?
Alas, I was not. But I wish I was because that was very, very high on the list of best threads I've ever seen. I have it bookmarked. :D
"WE CAN BRING A KAZOO. IT'LL BE KINKY."
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Same reason that people go "n'awwww" when they see a kitten. It's biologically programmed. Trufax. It also ties into the Hot Cocoa test which I am happy to say Ace and Seven pass. I think Seven and Mel would probably pass, as well, from what I saw of them in Dragonfire
Ace starts off wearing the huge t-shirt and a flowy skort thing, which is also fun, but not nearly as distracting as the spandex.
I didn't really think it was you I was arguing with, esp considering the kinky bits, but I felt your spirit and thought I should ask. ^_^
What other threads do you have bookmarked, btw? I have absolutely nothing bookmarked but I feel like I should start, if only to keep a record of my nefarious deeds. >>
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Um...looking in my bookmarks, I have way more than I thought. >___> I've got the Pertwee-era Fashion Love thread (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/3136.html?thread=13184832#t13184832), obvs, because that was what made me realize that the meme didn't fail hard all the time, plus the House That Dripped Blood (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/3810.html?thread=16772834#t16772834) picspam because it is for great lolz. There's also a lot of picspams in there and some conversations I've had with other people, especially if they led to interesting fanon or such. There's a ficlet about the Doctor cosplaying as himself (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/3329.html?thread=14705921#t14705921), a thread about which scientists we'd want the Doctor to visit in a historical episode (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/3329.html?thread=14944257#t14944257), a thread about Turlough that ends up with him dancing at the Moulin Rouge (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/3810.html?thread=16293602#t16293602), a thread where someone explains that Transporter 2 has the same plot as The Silurians (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4094.html?thread=17071102#t17071102), a winter wear picspam that went on longer than most (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4094.html?thread=18169342#t18169342), someone proposing a way of making peace between trads/Threefen and rads/Sevenfen (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4419.html?thread=19621187#t19621187), an epic picspam of the actors who played the Doctors in other roles (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4419.html?thread=19921731#t19921731), a really long and awesome discussion thread (see! We *can* have discussion without wank, and boo to anyone that says we can't) (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4419.html?thread=20249411#t20249411) that actually started as a comment on a one-sentence porn meme and spun way off from there (I was one of the participants in that conversation; which one will become obvious quickly), a Benton love thread (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4419.html?thread=20754243#t20754243), that talk about Liz Shaw and stereotypes in The Blue Tooth (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4635.html?thread=20958747#t20958747), the only Boxman wank that doesn't make me want to break things because it's about characterization!fail instead of sexism (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4635.html?thread=21949467#t21949467), an enormous picspam of HiFi whut (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/4635.html?thread=21991451#t21991451), a discussion thread about commenting on fic (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/5236.html?thread=22356852#t22356852), a discussion of plot holes in Doctor Who turns into Jo and Sarah requisitioning the UNIT boys and an appreciation of Day of the Daleks tortureporn (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/5236.html?thread=22746996#t22746996), and the thread where someone recced me Verdigris (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/5236.html?thread=22913140#t22913140).
OH GOD THAT'S NOT EVEN ALL OF THEM. D:
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That list is faaaaaaaaaabulous. :D And several of those threads were before my time so I doubly appreciate the links.
Are you going to do the friending meme, btw? I'm waffling on the idea. There's lovely people I wanna get cracky with but the meme is slow and right now I just feel like LJ takes so much energy. Which is silly because I'm not really DOING anything lately but I just. idk. I'm also worried because I'm coming up on my 1 year anniversary of entering the fandom and er, my past fandoms haven't lasted much longer than that. :/
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I don't know about the friending meme. It's a nice idea in principle, but I just don't know if I have the time or energy to entertain people atm, plus the Thing I Talk About Under Filter that will probably take me off LJ for the better part of June. And, yeah, I do feel like LJ is kind of an energy drain, which is silly because it's supposed to be a break, but...yeah. And having more fannish friends would mean I'd feel even guiltier about not having written anything by way of fic or meta recently.
I'm not making a whole lot of sense right now; sorry.
But your past fandoms haven't had 45 solid years of canon that you've only just scratched the surface of. You haven't even gotten to the books and audios yet! :D I find that constantly having something new to explore really helps the fandom luster stick.
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Another part of it is that I'm devoting a little more time to the Big Project of Big Doom, which actually feeds parasitically on Who fandom (and several other fandoms) so, idk idk. Things are a little weird right now. I'm running into issues where I have two characters-- a Who character and an orig character which was initially the Who character but is now barely recognizable--in the same situations and my brain tries to elaborate for both characters.
Also, now that I'm officially Going Back to School I don't feel the same drive to produce fic that I did a few months ago.
And, well, there's... other stuff. That I may or may not seek reassurance for under flock. :/
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And I've definitely done that with my own characters, to the point where I ended up writing neither, so sympathy on that. And...well, School will do that to one's fannish output. Not much I can offer there.
And, well, there's... other stuff. That I may or may not seek reassurance for under flock. :/
*pre-emptive hugs*
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WHEDON. WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. Like about how long you can trot out the "feminist" credentials despite killing off female characters so they can serve as a plot/characterization device.
*snort-giggles* Heeheehee, that is my favorite quote about Whedon ever. I've not seen enough of his work to appreciate it in context, but this tells me pretty much all I need to know.
And if/when you find Doctor Who vids to these songs, please let me know.
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I like most of Whedon's stuff to varying degrees, but he does have this unpleasant habit of killing off half a pairing, usually a woman, in order to spark "character development", to the point where, if two characters in a Whedon show are in a relationship, there's a virtual guarantee that one of them is not going to make it out alive. Or they'll have the most knock-down drag-out breakup ever.
...not like I'm still a bit bitter or anything. And I wasn't even that much of a Buffy fan.
A quick YouTube search confirms that, while there are quite a few Who vids to most of these songs, a whole lot of them aren't very good. I'll be sure to put up links if I find any gems.