posted by
stunt_muppet at 09:05am on 30/07/2007 under harry potter
So...just finished Deathly Hallows last night. I didn't get quite as emotionally invested in this book as I did with book 6, but that's probably just because I was cracking lame jokes the whole time to try and dull the pain. (And I was reading really fast.)
But yes, I did cry, despite my best efforts to the contrary.
Full, explicit, and possibly chapter-by-chapter review coming later, but for now, my quick initial thoughts.
But yes, I did cry, despite my best efforts to the contrary.
Full, explicit, and possibly chapter-by-chapter review coming later, but for now, my quick initial thoughts.
1. I've already noted my reaction to Hedwig's death in the prior post. I am, however, SO GLAD that Hagrid lived through all this. I think his was the most upsetting potential death in my mind.
2. Of course she killed off Dobby. Of course. I knew it. *grumble*
3. So, Harry was indeed a Horcrux and Snape did indeed love Lilly Evans. File both under "The entire fandom saw this coming."
"The Prince's Tale" did make me upset, though. Poor, awkward Severus. :( Also, Lilly, can we get some insight into why exactly you married James Potter? He was kind of a dick.
4. Oh, and by the way, JKR, thanks a lot for giving Tonks and Lupin ONE FREAKING LINE to describe their deaths. Because, you know, when a major character whom I've known since book 3 or 5 gets killed, I don't really want the main character to react to it, or even give them more than a passing description, really. *hisses*
4. a. Also, did we really need Ted Tonks the Younger, or was he just an excuse to have Nymphadora not do anything for the entire book? (Birth control would have been an extremely good idea, because this was so not the time.)
5. I felt the same way reading this book that I felt reading book 5: like I could hardly stand to read it after a while, because I couldn't just keep sitting there and watch things keep getting worse.
6. You know, I was also glad that they included those long stretched of tedium and nothing happening in Harry's quest for the Horcruxes. It made it much more realistic than your average fantasy quest; Our Heroes don't have everything figured out, and they have to do some information-gathering before the heroics can kick in.
6.a. On that note, shouldn't the plural of Horcrux be Horcrucis?
7. VOLDEMORT: Well hey, look at that. I killed Harry Potter.
BELLATRIX: Make love to me.
VOLDEMORT: ...Seriously, Bella, don't do that. It's creepy.
8. Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix = best freaking scene in the book. I cheered.
I also got an entertaining mental image of Molly, complete with apron and frizzy hair, stomping into Hogwarts in Ellen Ripley's great big yellow combat mech from Aliens. Anybody else get that?
9. I...wha...but...FRED?
*stares in shock* But...but how could you? I...you can't...oh, Fred. *sobs*
10. So that was Dumbledore's dark secret or whatever? Huh. Interesting.
Am I supposed to hate him now or something? Because that's the idea I was getting, and I just, well...don't. I don't like him as much as I did before, but I don't hate him.
Yes, it's troubling that he was a wizard-supremacist at 17, but not every 17-year-old is/was Saint Potter, and what you do or think as a teenager doesn't necessarily define who you are the rest of your life. And yes, it's inexusable that he neglected his sick sister, but again, he was 17. He made a mistake and he paid for it. If anything, all these developments do for me is make him more flawed and human - far more human than the impossibly selfless Harry.
Also, I am not as troubled as I probably should be that he knew Harry was going to die, because I was of the opinion that he also knew that Harry would be able to come back. And in response to the outcry of "He was going to sacrifice a teenaged boy?", my answer is: yes, he was.
It was a terrible thing, it was an ugly thing, and if there were any other options they should have been tried first. But there weren't. Sometime's there's no "good" or "happy" choice, and when that's the case, the lesser of two evils it is.
That's the way it is here. There were no other ways to get rid of Voldemort for good (at least that we, the readers, have been informed of), so it came down to two choices: Harry could die, or Voldemort could keep clinging to life and killing hundreds, thousands, maybe millions. The life of one boy vs. the life of millions? The boy's gotta die.
11. On a less serious note, LOL @ Trelawney chucking crystal balls at the Death Eaters. In fact, the battle of Hogwarts in general was amazing. In spite of my attempts to remain impartial I got really nervous.
12. I love Luna. And I'd wear sun colors to a wedding. It seems festive.
13. I also love Neville, and was glad that he got to be the one to finish off Nagini. I was hoping he'd get to kill Bellatrix to avenge his parents, but since I got the Badass!Molly scene instead, I'm willing to overlook that. And he still got to be a Big Damn Hero and practically thumb his nose at Voldemort, so I'm still quite happy.
14. The Hermione-gets-tortured scene worried me so deeply. I was scared that they'd run up just in time to find her dead.
15. Epilogue was pointless. Fluffy and mildly amusing (key word mildly), but pointless. Also, where do we learn where Harry, Ron, Ginny, et. al. got the 8 million Galleons for their therapy bills?
15. a. And why would anyone name their kid Albus Severus if they hoped for them to avoid a lifetime of mockery at the hands of other children with normal names?
15. b. And did Hermione ever get her parents back? I'd like to know that; why wasn't that addressed?
16. Much though I whine, I still laughed and cried and enjoyed this installment immensely. I'm sad that Harry Potter is over, but this was quite a way to send it off.
2. Of course she killed off Dobby. Of course. I knew it. *grumble*
3. So, Harry was indeed a Horcrux and Snape did indeed love Lilly Evans. File both under "The entire fandom saw this coming."
"The Prince's Tale" did make me upset, though. Poor, awkward Severus. :( Also, Lilly, can we get some insight into why exactly you married James Potter? He was kind of a dick.
4. Oh, and by the way, JKR, thanks a lot for giving Tonks and Lupin ONE FREAKING LINE to describe their deaths. Because, you know, when a major character whom I've known since book 3 or 5 gets killed, I don't really want the main character to react to it, or even give them more than a passing description, really. *hisses*
4. a. Also, did we really need Ted Tonks the Younger, or was he just an excuse to have Nymphadora not do anything for the entire book? (Birth control would have been an extremely good idea, because this was so not the time.)
5. I felt the same way reading this book that I felt reading book 5: like I could hardly stand to read it after a while, because I couldn't just keep sitting there and watch things keep getting worse.
6. You know, I was also glad that they included those long stretched of tedium and nothing happening in Harry's quest for the Horcruxes. It made it much more realistic than your average fantasy quest; Our Heroes don't have everything figured out, and they have to do some information-gathering before the heroics can kick in.
6.a. On that note, shouldn't the plural of Horcrux be Horcrucis?
7. VOLDEMORT: Well hey, look at that. I killed Harry Potter.
BELLATRIX: Make love to me.
VOLDEMORT: ...Seriously, Bella, don't do that. It's creepy.
8. Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix = best freaking scene in the book. I cheered.
I also got an entertaining mental image of Molly, complete with apron and frizzy hair, stomping into Hogwarts in Ellen Ripley's great big yellow combat mech from Aliens. Anybody else get that?
9. I...wha...but...FRED?
*stares in shock* But...but how could you? I...you can't...oh, Fred. *sobs*
10. So that was Dumbledore's dark secret or whatever? Huh. Interesting.
Am I supposed to hate him now or something? Because that's the idea I was getting, and I just, well...don't. I don't like him as much as I did before, but I don't hate him.
Yes, it's troubling that he was a wizard-supremacist at 17, but not every 17-year-old is/was Saint Potter, and what you do or think as a teenager doesn't necessarily define who you are the rest of your life. And yes, it's inexusable that he neglected his sick sister, but again, he was 17. He made a mistake and he paid for it. If anything, all these developments do for me is make him more flawed and human - far more human than the impossibly selfless Harry.
Also, I am not as troubled as I probably should be that he knew Harry was going to die, because I was of the opinion that he also knew that Harry would be able to come back. And in response to the outcry of "He was going to sacrifice a teenaged boy?", my answer is: yes, he was.
It was a terrible thing, it was an ugly thing, and if there were any other options they should have been tried first. But there weren't. Sometime's there's no "good" or "happy" choice, and when that's the case, the lesser of two evils it is.
That's the way it is here. There were no other ways to get rid of Voldemort for good (at least that we, the readers, have been informed of), so it came down to two choices: Harry could die, or Voldemort could keep clinging to life and killing hundreds, thousands, maybe millions. The life of one boy vs. the life of millions? The boy's gotta die.
11. On a less serious note, LOL @ Trelawney chucking crystal balls at the Death Eaters. In fact, the battle of Hogwarts in general was amazing. In spite of my attempts to remain impartial I got really nervous.
12. I love Luna. And I'd wear sun colors to a wedding. It seems festive.
13. I also love Neville, and was glad that he got to be the one to finish off Nagini. I was hoping he'd get to kill Bellatrix to avenge his parents, but since I got the Badass!Molly scene instead, I'm willing to overlook that. And he still got to be a Big Damn Hero and practically thumb his nose at Voldemort, so I'm still quite happy.
14. The Hermione-gets-tortured scene worried me so deeply. I was scared that they'd run up just in time to find her dead.
15. Epilogue was pointless. Fluffy and mildly amusing (key word mildly), but pointless. Also, where do we learn where Harry, Ron, Ginny, et. al. got the 8 million Galleons for their therapy bills?
15. a. And why would anyone name their kid Albus Severus if they hoped for them to avoid a lifetime of mockery at the hands of other children with normal names?
15. b. And did Hermione ever get her parents back? I'd like to know that; why wasn't that addressed?
16. Much though I whine, I still laughed and cried and enjoyed this installment immensely. I'm sad that Harry Potter is over, but this was quite a way to send it off.
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BELLATRIX: Make love to me.
VOLDEMORT: ...Seriously, Bella, don't do that. It's creepy.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I think you forgot one thing: McGonagall and her army of stampeding chairs. XDDD BEST. IMAGE. EVER. I mean besides Mrs. Weasley totally pwning Bellatrix.
(Did Harry name any of his kids after Sirius? I can't remember if James was James Sirius or not. If he didn't, why the hell not? >_<)
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I did forget the army of chairs. How could I have forgotten that? Because you're right, it was fantastic. It was made all the better by McGonagall yelling "CHARGE!"
And I don't remember if James was James Sirius or not. I tried to block most of the epilogue from my memory.
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Another great line: "Hello, Minister! Did I mention I'm resigning?"
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Percy Weasley for the win. I'm glad she brought him back - and that he survived.
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BELLATRIX: Make love to me.
VOLDEMORT: ...Seriously, Bella, don't do that. It's creepy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You know, after the whole Dumbledore thing that happened...I actually love him now more than ever. I mean...I've always loved Dumbledore, but I don't hate him at all after knowing all of this, either, I actually love him more. I found him to be very brave. I mean, it was her sister, but...who should have to give up their childhood for something like that? Well, in Book-World, anyway...and in the real world too, sometimes. I mean, there are always options when it comes to stuff like that. Taking on big responsibilities like that when you're still a teenager...well, you know what I'm trying to say. XD It's early and I can't really convey my thoughts right now. Gah.
But yes, I enjoyed this book immensely, and I'm probably going to have to read it a few more times to really grasp all that's happened. Glad you enjoyed it!!
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I dunno. While I didn't hate Dumbledore after learning about his Dark Secret Past (c), the fact remains that he neglected his sick sister (which I find, as I said, inexcusable) and advocated cultural imperialism. Whether or not he "should have" had to take care of his family was irrelevant - he still had to do it, and his neglect of that duty is, in the long run, what killed Ariana.
Now, I see both of those incidents as evidence of youthful selfishness and 'academic' (i.e. insulated) idealism rather than moral depravity, so I can't hate him for that. In fact, I'm sort of relieved that he's no longer the standard against which everyone must be held in terms of moral perfection.
What irritated me was Rowling's overly conciliatory tone in the "King's Cross" chapter; she seemed desperate to make us love him again in spite of everything ("See? See? He's still the good guy. You still like him, right? Right?"). That got on my nerves.
But I still liked the book, so...yeah. Glad to hear that you liked it too!
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Gah, I probably make no sense. It's only 10:00 in the morning, and I'm still sleepy. :P
But still...that makes SOME sense, doesn't it? It's definitely something I'll be thinking about more and more.
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And that's the other reason that the tone of "King's Cross" strikes me as so wierd. If JKR's paying any attention to her own fandom, she should have *known* that fandom wrath would descend upon Dumbledore like the hammer of an angry god as soon as she wrote "The Prince's Tale". It's a little late to make nice after Dumbledore's effed-over the fandom's favorite character.
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Okay, I take back my comment about loving him even more now. ;_; Now I'm sad.
I thought a lot about what you said, and yes, he was very selfish. I don't know WHAT I was thinking before...I guess I still hadn't really wrapped my brain around everything that happened. Now that I've really sat and thought about it...
*sigh*
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And yes, that's one of the book's more depressing after-effects. :(
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3. Lilly, can we get some insight into why exactly you married James Potter? He was kind of a dick.
*has a story* Don't know where I'd be without all these magical fanfic patches, really.
4a. My only complaint about Teddy is that he survived. Rowling's latest interview says that she wanted there to be "an echo" of what happened in the first go-round with Voldemort, hence making an orphan, but I thought it would have been much more sinister - not to mention less, what's the word, repetitive? redundant? - to kill the *baby* this time around rather than the parents. In fact, I was fully prepared for that; I figured he was doomed as soon as he was born. It never occured to me that Remus & Tonks would be the ones in danger. That was my faulty sense of optimism kicking in.
7. HYSTERICAL.
13. I think I'm the only person on the planet who doesn't love Neville by this point...but I don't. I *still* see the same stumbling little kid from the first book
no matter how hard the movie directors try to make him extra-heroic. If I want there to be a non-Trio kid kicking ass and taking names, let's at least make it Ginny.(no subject)
3. "How do you spell 'Slughorn is a paedophile?'" A ha ha ha ha. Thank you for pointing me to that one.
4.a. I must go find these interviews. And it would have made more sense if Teddy died, as a contrast to "the boy who lived".
Still, I don't agree with Rowling here; she killed off enough people to make her point, and I don't think the "echo" effect was necessary. From where I'm sitting, Teddy serves no narrative purpose except to keep Tonks and Lupin out of the way. *grumble*
7. Well, she was making me uncomfortable, anyway.
13. I like his precisely because he started out so clumsy and bumbling. He's grown the most out of almost every character except The Trio, and I enjoyed watching him evolve.
That said, it would have been nice if Ginny was given a more prominent role. She felt like an afterthought in this book.