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Also, doooo it. I'm tempted every once in a while to drunkfic but I suspect that I would end up falling asleep and not writing anything at all. :(
it sets up that competitive dynamic that I adore in an ambiguously-parental pairing
Ooh! Yes! That's a great way of describing it, thanks. My Sulu/Pike fic is going to have a lot of meditations on Kirk as the son surpassing or inheriting the power of the father, so the competitive dynamic is part "I can do better than you, nyaaah" and "Look what I did, aren't you proud of me?" And Pike's motivations for kicking Kirk's ass can be equally selfish and altruistic. E.g., "This is for your own good but damn if I'm not enjoying myself."
It's funny-- I'm glad my CP idea is becoming your headcanon, but I don't know how easily I can fit it into my "postable" headcanon (the rubble fic, the Pike/Sulu, and the Shiny!Gold!Chekov are all compatible) because of the amount of establishment it needs. but that's ok, i have a headcanon AU where all the alien planets are BDSM republics or somesuch and everyone takes a turn at beating the crap out of Kirk and sub!McCoy is floating around in here somewhere, being all mute and compliant and such. and at some point Kirk, McCoy, and Spock get stuck in a cave and Spock regresses to primitive!vulcaness and thinks that Kirk and McCoy are his children. i know this is silly and self-indulgent. Don't judge me! D:
IF YOU REALLY WANT SOME MORE HEADCANON FOR NU!TREK I CAN RAMBLE AT YOU ABOUT SNIPER!JOANNA AND CORPORATE EMBEZZLER!SAM KIRK AND THE AWESOME AWAY TEAM TRIO OF ENGINEER WINONA KIRK, LIEUTENANT PIKE (JUST A FEW YEARS OUT OF THE ACADEMY, DONCHA KNOW) AND SPECIAL ENSIGN JOYCELYN HAPRIN (AKA JOYCELYN MCCOY) AND ALL THE BADASS SHIT THEY GET UP TO, LIKE THAT ONE TIME PIKE WAS DEAD FOR THREE DAYS.
I THINK I NEED TO DO A CRIME AGAINST FANDOM POST AT SOME POINT.
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(No, drugged-out!Doctor still needed to be kept out of trouble - largely, the regression accentuates his already turbulent moods, so the verbal barbs and sarcasm become rants and outright sulking, the solid conviction that he's always right becomes a lot more pronounced, and the little woe-is-me-I-am-in-exile self-pity moments get a bit more needy and emotionally raw. At one point he's even okay with being cuddled, because even when you're raising a teen there are moments where they *don't* hate you, right? Also there was one scene in there where the Doctor stuck his tongue out at the Brig after being told not to do something but then I realized that didn't make any sense because poking the tongue out wouldn't have the same significance to an adolescent Time Lord as it would to an adolescent human and anyway I don't know if British kids even do that.)
I'm pretty sure I'd fall asleep trying to drunkfic too. I'm really sort of a boring drunk. I'd have to limit it to a galss of wine, and I'm not sure that's enough to make me post stuff I wouldn't post sober.
so the competitive dynamic is part "I can do better than you, nyaaah" and "Look what I did, aren't you proud of me?"
Yes! I love that in a father-son pairing, because it's two seemingly contrary emotions - rivalry and craving for attention/approval - that at root have a similar source (wanting to be better, whether for one's own benefit or the pleasure of another) directed at the same object, and the mental gymnastics required to accommodate those conflicting emotions. I've already mentioned that it worked really well in that fic snippet you posted, and I am ever so excited to see more of it, you have no idea. *jumps up and down*
I'm curious as to why the CP story would be incompatible (I almost typed incomplatible, which doesn't mean anything but sounds funny), though. It would require setup, yes, but I find setup and development makes a fic more interesting and satisfying. Does it not match up with the way Kirk/Pike is depicted in the rubble fic and the Sulu/Pike fic? Maybe you could make an authors note that the three fics you mentioned are of a similar continuity that the CP fic exists outside of.
You know Kirk likes it. McCoy, too. And DUDE YES MORE BDSM PLANETS. They are my secret pop-skiffy weakness except they're not a secret at all. Also I have no idea what paternal!primitive!Spock would be like but it would either be brilliant or hilarious. It's like a reverse Pon Farr, and as such makes a weird sort of sense.
...why would I judge you for self-indulgent silliness? I'm tl;dring at you about self-indulgent silliness in *two different comment threads* right now. Self-indulgent silliness is excellent and should be encouraged!
YES YES DO RAMBLE AT ME I WISH TO HEAR IT. Mainly because I know nothing about movie!verse Joycelyn and only what's onscreen for Winona and as such I am really, really looking for some good headcanon about them, especially headcanon where they get to be badass and awesome and have adventures and SNIPE THINGS HELLZ YEAH.
I PRACTICALLY DEMAND MORE CRIMES AGAINST FANDOM. FANDOM IS SO MUCH LESS INTERESTING WITHOUT THEM.
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"Squash and chocolate cake are incomplatible because the squash water gets the cake all soggy and blegh."
I'm thinking the CP story is incompatible mostly because I can't slip it in as a throwaway line the way I can do with everything else. Also, the CP stuff would, if not exactly transform their relationship, then intensify it and makes certain aspects very explicit. The Kirk/Pike I have set up right now is contentious but fairly carefree, I think. IDK. It probably fits better than I think it does, I'm just hesitant to admit to the world at large that I use CP as a framework for exploring character dynamics. Which is silly, because fandom is pervy and will not disapprove.
Paternal!Spock is mostly hilarious with a dash of terror thrown in. He's stronger and faster than both of them, and as part of the regression, he only speaks Vulcan (or a simple form of it, anyway.) So there's a lot of Kirk and Spock yelling at each other in languages they can't understand before Spock just drags Jim back into the cave and pops him on the butt. It's dangerous out there. Spock can't let his soft, pink babies go wandering around without supervision; that would be irresponsible.
Jim, obviously, has to keep pushing the boundaries because ONE DAY Spock will let him go explore the forest. He knows it. (The strategy works-- much like a parent finally acquiescing to a teenager's demands for more freedom-- and McCoy gives the facepalm of the century.)
Spock also gathers fruit to bring back and shows Jim how to crack it open. Also, maybe he fights grizzly bears?
(there's another plot-line that is much less funny!parental!hijinks and more, um, rape. :/ Let's just say Spock treats McCoy a little differently than he treats Jim.)
OKAY MAYBE I WILL DO THAT CRIMES AGAINST FANDOM POST. GOSH. SINCE YOU TWISTED MY ARM AND ALL. YOU JERK. :D
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Anyway, enough of that nonsense.
I'm thinking the CP story is incompatible mostly because I can't slip it in as a throwaway line the way I can do with everything else.
But does it have to exist in the same continuity as the other three? You could specify in the A/N that it doesn't exist in the same continuity as your other fic, if you feel the need to. That way you're removed of the obligation to even put it in as a throwaway line to anything else. Or you could write a ficlet specifically to write in the CP story as a throwaway line, as part of the same verse!
I'm just hesitant to admit to the world at large that I use CP as a framework for exploring character dynamics. Which is silly, because fandom is pervy and will not disapprove.
I would chide you and remind you that fandom has, in fact, produced fic pairing people with tribbles and seen fit to post it under its own pseud, but then I remembered that I have the exact same problem but replace "CP" with "dominatrices and shibari" and thus advice to that effect would be a touch hypocritical.
It's dangerous out there. Spock can't let his soft, pink babies go wandering around without supervision; that would be irresponsible.
I like this story already. :D Mostly because it provides opportunity for Spock to make angry parental faces at rebellious!Kirk and for McCoy to have to smack him and remind him that dammit, Sock isn't actually his parent, now stop acting like it and if you pull another stunt like that we'll both be sent to bed with no supper. Also, Spock fighting grizzly bears. Which is *awesome*.
Though given that this plotline seems at least mildly lighthearts, I'm curious as to how the secondary plotline fits into it, as it seems to be rather more serious. Poor McCoy. :(
TWISTING ARMS IS WHAT I DO BEST, DEAR. ESPECIALLY AS IT CONCERNS CRIMES AGAINST FANDOM.