posted by [identity profile] nentari.livejournal.com at 04:47pm on 24/06/2008
Lady Lovelocks... No, wait - Doctor Who!
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:44pm on 24/06/2008
*snerk*

1. I prefer Old Old-Skool to New Old-Skool. There are exceptions, of course, but midway through the Fourth Doctor era I feel like the show just...loses something. I like Five and Seven and Eight, really I do, and I'm sure I'll like Six more once I hear some of his audios, but for some reason it's One through early!Four that I keep coming back to. I don't think this is any fault of the actors, nor do I think it can be blamed entirely on JNT, and maybe it's just my current fannish phase, but...I don't know.

2. I like Adric, and I don't think it's fair that he's the only companion you're allowed to dump on without anyone leaping to his defense. It's not his fault Big Finish never got a crack at him.

3. I like the Three/Delgado!Master dynamic more than the Ten/Simm!Master one. I don't think the one's necessarily better than the other - it's just personal preference.

4. Along with The Massace, Evil of the Daleks, The Highlanders and their ilk, Mission to the Unknown is one of the great tragedies of the burnination. I don't think this is an unpopular opinion so much as an obscure one.
 
posted by [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com at 06:50pm on 24/06/2008
I like the Three/Delgado!Master dynamic more than the Ten/Simm!Master one. I don't think the one's necessarily better than the other - it's just personal preference.

Amen and hallelujah.

(And I kind of agree with your opinion #1 also. I think it's why I haven't felt the burning need to see all of the 4-6 Doctor eps like I did with 1-3. Black and White WHO was superior to color.)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 01:23pm on 25/06/2008
I think it's why I haven't felt the burning need to see all of the 4-6 Doctor eps like I did with 1-3.

I've done the same thing - while my first run through any Doctor's era is always the "highlights" run, with One through Three and most of Four I wanted to go back and watch all of them, even the purportedly rubbish ones. I haven't felt that need yet with the later Doctors. (Although I do really want to finish Seven's stories all the way through - Paradise Towers is all cued up and ready to go.)
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 08:23pm on 24/06/2008
1) I'm so weird about old Who. I love 1-3 and Four's era through Leela, but the Romana era lacks a lot of lustre for me. (Kinda feels like they're putting on shows for themselves in their living room, and unengaging ones at that.) And then -- god knows, it has its problems -- I somehow love Five's era. 6-7 I haven't seen much of, but it seems to lack whatever it was that made Five transcend the eighties-ness.

2) It's really unfair. I see people spewing disproportionately vicious things about someone who's just a sometimes YES, very ass-y kid, but he was helpful and (I thought) kinda funny and definitely not near so bad as to merit such disturbingly hateful remarks.

3) I can't decide. I love them all so very hard. <3

4) Possibly Mission to the Unknown would've kept me interested if it hadn't been burninated. I watched it 'cause it was short and there. It had a promising story but NO DOCTOR OMG. I liked the thorn thing.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 01:35pm on 25/06/2008
1)I love 1-3 and Four's era through Leela, but the Romana era lacks a lot of lustre for me.

Me too! And it's wierd, because it's Romana, dammit, I like Romana, but...I don't know. Maybe I'm just a Robert Holmes-loving heathen and too ashamed to admit it. :D

2) The disproportionality is what gets to me - I could understand people not liking him, but the sheer intensity of the hate he gets scares me sometimes, and I'm all the way on the other side of the screen.

4) I'm just intrigued by the fact that there was a Doctor-less episode almost fourty years before "Love and Monsters" came along. It was such a bold risk for a program that was already taking a lot of them, and I think it's really a sign that the 'verse was solid even back then and could hold up on its own. Also, I'm a sucker for creepy transformative body horror, particularly when done low-budget (see: unnatural love for The Ark in Space).
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 06:06pm on 25/06/2008
<3333 Ark in Space omg. One of my earliest Whos! And I just thought it was fun writing and the Wirrn were interesting and even the bubble wrap half-eating Noah's body was freaky.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:11pm on 25/06/2008
One of my earliest too! In fact, I'm pretty sure it was my second Tom Baker story (first one was The Power of Kroll on public TV at two in the morning).

And I love and was freaked out by the bubblewrap and I am NOT ASHAMED OF THAT. So long as they don't zoom in too close it doesn't look like bubblewrap to me anyway.
 
posted by [identity profile] nentari.livejournal.com at 09:53pm on 24/06/2008
The funny thing is, my first contact with Doctor Who was from Arc of Infinity onwards, so I became a fan through the JNT days. My father sometimes watched a few minutes and asked me why on earth did I watch that, but I never could find an answer - I just did. Then Ace came along, around the same time I got my hands on The Pertwee Years and The Troughton Years and caught a glimpse of Jo and Jamie; I think my reaction was "Ooh, so that's why I like it!"
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 02:31pm on 25/06/2008
I actually rather like Arc of Infinity - there was some good stuff in Five's and Six's era, and the latter half of Seven's era started to go back to the 'feel' of the show that I liked in the early years.

And I like your dad's reaction. Like you actually need a reason, anyway. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] nentari.livejournal.com at 02:37pm on 25/06/2008
I like it too. I just wish I had seen The Three Doctors before it, so that I could have been surprised with Omega's reappearance.

And I like your dad's reaction. Like you actually need a reason, anyway. :D
That's the way he is. He often decides something is good or bad before he even gives it a chance, and will force people to rationalize why they like something he disapproves. *shakes head* I'm used to it.
Anyway, now that he's discovered the new series by accident, having seen Rose without realizing it was Doctor Who until after he was hooked, he has changed his opinion, though he'll still insist that the '80s stories are all terrible without giving them a chance.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:54pm on 25/06/2008
Anyway, now that he's discovered the new series by accident, having seen Rose without realizing it was Doctor Who until after he was hooked, he has changed his opinion.

Hah! Excellent. That's too bad about the '80s episodes, though; no chance of sneaking one of those in without him realizing it?
 
posted by [identity profile] nentari.livejournal.com at 05:58pm on 25/06/2008
Well, even though he'll probably recognize Five, I'd like to show him The Caves of Androzani one day. Let's wait and see.

(the funny thing is? He loves The Tomorrow People)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:04pm on 25/06/2008
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The Tomorrow People even more Eighties than Eighties Who was? With the sets and costumes and general excess of shiny things?

*shrug*
 
posted by [identity profile] nentari.livejournal.com at 08:31pm on 25/06/2008
Exactly. That's how his bias works - he might like something that's similar (or, in this situation, more excessive) but if he's decided he's not going to like something, he won't.
Mind you, I think he's only seen the very early seasons of the old series of TP, which were visually more subdued and closer to the Third Doctor era (I think that's the time those early seasons were made, now that I think about it), and the new series (with that girl from Pirates of the Caribbean), which was made a few years after the cancellation of Old Who.

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