posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 12:27am on 18/03/2008
Now. Josie. I love her so much. This was my first classic Who, and she...she was amazing. The most enduring image for me was her screaming at the Master's lackeys to get the Doctor some food, and they ran to comply. But she's just victorious at everything, on so many planes. She's action ready, and she's there to be the den mother, and she balances it out beautifully. "He stops talking, she stops asking, but she still seems to understand what's going on": She's really, really quick to catch on. People latch onto her initial confusion at a given thing, but she picks things up and she fuckin' runs. Sometimes a bit overenthusiastically. But she works really hard and she doesn't let herself fall behind. In fact, she developed very good skills at SNEAKINESS to avoid being left behind. Regarding her selective disobedience: she's good at picking her battles. She, on the one hand, kind of lets herself get beaten up, but on the other hand, she persistently stands up for herself. Not by fighting back so much in arguing, but just by persisting in doing what she thinks she should do. She adores the Doctor, she's very protective of him, she considers him her responsibility in a way, but it's never to the point of losing herself in him. I'm glad of that, because it shows a much more realistic dynamic -- respecting someone but retaining your own judgment -- that if she deferred to him constantly just due to being sweet. She teases him, she undercuts him, and he generally throughout still treats her basically similarly but with a growing personal affection and she gets more and more confident in their rapport until its more like banter rather than him giving her orders. Liz would quell you with a look, Sarah would eat you (Three adjusts his demeanor pretty quick in getting to know her [after she...pretty much eats him during the first conversation they had], they've got a partners-in-crime sort of banter), Jo asserts herself by...just doing what she's doing with no real attention to what you say if she doesn't feel like it. =D Basically the way the Doctor treats the Brig, except without the yelling.

Who has been calling the Brig incompetent? I've never come across anybody in fandom who's said that. UNIT as a whole occasionally falls into the Really Bad Military Unthinking Judgment category, but more often than not they're thorough and professional and even though it's still ingrained that you're generally better off listening to the Doctor because he has a more comprehensive and less damaging solution and won't get tied up in formalities on his way to doing so, they aren't bunglers.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:21pm on 17/06/2008
Not by fighting back so much in arguing, but just by persisting in doing what she thinks she should do. She adores the Doctor, she's very protective of him, she considers him her responsibility in a way, but it's never to the point of losing herself in him.

I do love that about her - Jo's still so much her own person, all throughout her adventures. She's never the Doctor's hanger-on. You know she's traveling with him because she wants to, not just out of attachment or obligation or whatever.

Re: selective disobedience: I ALSO love that, by the end of her run, he's giving her instructions and telling her to stay behind purely out of habit, and doesn't even bat an eye when she turns up later to rescue him from something. I mean, he scolds her here, since it's only their second serial together, but by the time we get into her last season he doesn't even bother doing that. :D

I think one of the key things is that Jo doesn't engage him, even when she doesn't intend to do a thing he says. Arguing with the Doctor just sort of feeds the whole 'separateness/superiority' thing, since he's not about to lose an argument if he can help it; Jo doesn't give him that opportunity, which alters the balance of his relation to her, a little bit. I think. I could just be rambling.

Basically the way the Doctor treats the Brig, except without the yelling.

You know, I hadn't thought of it that way at all, but now that you mention it, that's really perfect. And it explains a lot, actually. :D

Who has been calling the Brig incompetent? I've never come across anybody in fandom who's said that.

Mostly folk on older newsgroups that I came across when I was first breaking into Old-School. Looking back I now realize that they were kind of scary and full of weird-ass fanboys. And most of them seem to have only seen the Brig in, I don't know, The Three Doctors or something. Which he spends in an understandable state of confusion since, you know, the Doctors run off with UNIT HQ. *shrug*

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