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posted by [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com at 04:04pm on 01/04/2008
usually I am somewhat masochistic in my fannish habits, but this...this is just too much.

Same here! I love watching my favorite characters get pianos dropped on them (as my beloved [livejournal.com profile] janissa11 always says) but character death is too much for me. Always. And that's really what this is in a way that none of the other regenerations are for me. Two is murdered. By his own people. Right after they steal his husband and wipe said husband's memories of their undying love from his mind (that's MY canon, damn it) and it's tragic in a way that even Nine's regeneration wasn't (though I still can't even think about that one without crying). Ugh. Oh, Two. How I love you.
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posted by [identity profile] rhia-starsong.livejournal.com at 04:27pm on 01/04/2008
Exactly! that's MY canon, damn it

Oh, we all know that Two and Jamie are completely married, it's what makes this all the more tragic. Not only did they murder Two in fact, they essentially murdered Jamie, if you take the end of The War Games as strict canon. ::shudders:: No other regeneration can really match Two's for sheer tragedy and Jamie is part of that tragedy.
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posted by [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com at 05:01pm on 01/04/2008
No other regeneration can really match Two's for sheer tragedy and Jamie is part of that tragedy.

I just saw that someone else posted that Two died howling in agony? I think I'm going to be sick. Why must you do this to me, show? Why show, WHY?!?!?!
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posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 06:56pm on 01/04/2008
See, I think Jamie made it out of that battle, due to having seen nothing happen and therefore nothing must've happened AHEM, and also he was just so fucking spirited as soon as he made it back there that it screams with life. AHEM, dudes.

The two regenerations that hurt the most -- not that the others don't, One, Three, and Seven's are particularly hard to watch -- are Two's at the end of War Games and Five's at the end of Caves. Because in both cases, there's just so much paaaaaaaaiiiiin. Five is crippled and dizzy and drags himself across a damn desert and collapses looking and sounding a complete tortured mess -- emotionally as well...yeah, and it was very hard. DAMN YOU, SHOW.
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posted by [identity profile] rhia-starsong.livejournal.com at 07:43pm on 01/04/2008
ohhh, Five, I haven't seen Five yet, but I should be getting one of his serials in from Amazon in a day or two!

Oh, show, why must you feed my masochistic tendencies?!

btw, Jamie totally makes it out of Culloden. I don't know how, but HE DOES NOT DIE THERE.
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posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:24pm on 01/04/2008
See, I kept putting off Caves of Androzani, even though it was supposedly the best of Five's run, because it just didn't seem fair for my introduction to Five to be his last serial. XD

That said, it outright startled me how much abuse Five takes in Caves. I mean, I knew what happened and everything, but by the end I half-expected him to collapse and die anyway (before he was supposed to, I mean). That said, I think the Seven-to-Eight regeneration might just edge Five-to-Six out. At least Five got to save Peri before he died, thus bringing a tiny bit of dramatic purpose to his death; Seven dies for absolutely no reason. It's so meaningless. And watching Seven struggle against the anaesthesia just makes it worse.
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posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 10:14pm on 01/04/2008
I haven't seen the movie, but I saw the regeneration sequence from it, and all the twisting flesh looked so PAINFUL I almost cried.

Yeah, the thing is, Five's regeneration bit is so much more than the damage he sustains from the spectrox. There's also Resurrection and Planet of Fire before it, and so that's three in a row of A FUCKING LOT OF EMOTIONAL DAMAGE and the snapping of mental states, oh dear. So I'd have totally expected him to just give up on life even if the episode wasn't supposed to end that way.

(I watched all out of order. Planet of Fire, The Five Doctors, Resurrection, Visitation, and then the rest, ending on Caves. I find it a bit remarkable that the last Five I saw actually was his last, given my creative viewing habits.)
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posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 07:22pm on 04/04/2008
I can't truthfully say I've "seen" the movie, since I fast-forwarded through anything Sylvester McCoy or Paul McGann weren't in, but yeah. Two and Five's regenerations were sad, but Seven's, for me, was just scary. Being held down and drugged on an operating table, knowing he's going to die if he can't stop them? *shudder*

My viewing habits are similarly creative, in that I'm still making my way through Ressurection and haven't yet seen Planet of Fire. The Five Doctors was my first; after that came Kinda, Castrovalva, Snakedance, Mawdryn Undead, Caves of Androzani, and, uh...I wanna say Time-Flight? I think it was Time-Flight. So, yeah. I've still got a ways to go.

So, yes. I'm not surprised to learn that Five's regeneration is a lot more powerful when watched in context, especially since Ressurection is shaping up to be quite traumatic for him.
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