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stunt_muppet at 02:14am on 02/09/2010 under bouncing ideas off y'all, fandom, transformers, writing
First off, and I'm assuming this wouldn't be a problem anyway but I just want to cover my bases:
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So okay, that's over with.
So you may have overheard that I've been having a rather hard time getting my fangirl mitts on the two bits of TF merch that I really, really want, namely the Arcee figurine and the AllSpark Almanac Vol. 2. Specifically, I couldn't seem to find them anywhere.
So I decided that, one morning, I was just going to the local Toys R' Us and ask them to hold an Arcee figurine for me when it came in. You can do that, right? Especially since it's a Toys R' Us exclusive.
Except it turns out that Arcee is specifically sold to be rare, with only one or two of her in each new shipment of her Animated toy wave - and there's only one small shipment at a time, since most of the Transformers section of my local Toys R' Us is taken up with Bayverse toys, so the odds of her showing up are already slim. And because it's listed in the store catalog as just "Animated Deluxe-Class Figurine" - the specific figurine isn't listed, so there's no way for them to order it individually or check its stock status.
Oh, and because Arcee is such a rare figurine, area collectors tend to arrive before opening time when the pallets first come in and buy her toy on the spot on the rare occasions she's in the order, so she rarely ever even gets to the store shelves. And a lot of the people who buy that way are toy scalpers, which explains why all the Arcee figurines I can find on Amazon are double or more the retail price.
So unless I want to be one of those people who stalks the toy trucks at six in the morning, no Arcee for me. And no, I'm not ordering the thirty-five dollar ones off of eBay or Amazon. Because that would be letting the reselling jerks win. *stubborn face*
So I decided, screw it, I'll get the Almanac instead, surely that'll be easier to find. But then I thought that our Local Comic Shop had closed, and that was supposed to be the main venue for distribution of this thing. So, checked Barnes and Noble, since they had a comic book section and it usually carries a handful of TF comics, but not only did they not have it, none of the B&N in my entire area had even a single copy. So once again, no way to order it.
Driving around with J and M yesterday, and it turns out that Local Comic Shop has indeed not closed! It's merely moved from the mall it used to be in to the shopping center across the street! So, today, I decided to wander on over there and check to see if they had it. Naturally, not only did they not have it, but there seemed to be no record of it ever even being in stock.
The girl at the counter was very nice, however, and offered to look up the Almanac to see if there was any possibility of ordering it, which meant that we ended up on Amazon. And while there was apparently one copy left that was still at the retail price, all the other copies, new and used? Were upwards of two hundred fucking dollars.
I would like to re-emphasize this. TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS. For a comic book (effectively) that came out maybe two months ago and, so far as I can tell, isn't even out of print. What exact kind of craziness is going down here.
So, yeah, I just bucked up and ordered it on Amazon, even if that means I won't get the book until almost October. At least I got to pay retail for it instead of two hundred dollars.
It's so strange, though. It's like if you don't want to buy a Bayverse toy, you're shit out of luck unless you're ready to jump through a whole bunch of hoops. I'm trying to give you my money, Hasbro. Making it more difficult for me to do so seems like kind of an assbackwards business plan.
So. Ahem. I just had to get the complaining out of my system. At least the Clerk Lady also pointed me to the Wonder Woman Blackest Night event series, which is only three brief books long and looks amazing, so, it's not all bad at all. Freaking Bayverse.
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Mostly unrelated point: How much would you all judge me if I used a Nightwish lyric as a fic title?
I'm normally very bad at titles; if I don't cop out and use a song or a line of poetry, my titles tend to be very descriptive and flat, often only one word. So, more and more I've been turning to songs, flicking through my playlist until something catches my fancy.
Unfortunately, the one lyric I've decided might be a little bit perfect for the Optimus/Blackarachnia
springkink fic is "Bring Me Home (Or Leave Me Be)"; I feel like it kind of gets the mood and the themes of conflict, trust, and rejection in there. But it's also from a Nightwish song. Specifically, it's from "Ghost Love Score", which means my fic is going to be irrevocably connected to various Epic Roll cracks. Not a great mental association.
Of course, there are times when I have the opposite problem - i.e. I have a title and one or two lines but no content - but that doesn't happen nearly as often as the No Title problem. Thus far there's only two free-floating titles I've got, one for the Prime/Primal
springkink fic ("Apres-mois, la Deluge", because if I can't have a song lyric I will have a pretentious-sounding quote in a language I don't know that I've probably misspelled) and one for that AU I keep meaning to write where Sari never meets the Autobots and "grows up" as a not-quite-normal human girl until unusual things start happening around puberty ("The Dead-Leaf Hands on the Radium Clock", a lyric from a B-52s song, and I actually have only two sentences of that fic besides the title).
So, flist that writes, how do you come up with titles? If you use lyrics, how do you choose which ones to use, and how do you get over the creeping feeling of being judged over your musical tastes? If you eschew lyrics, how do you know when a title's just right?
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UGH WHY IS IT 2 AM AGAIN. Good night, you guys. I'm sorry I whined at you for like an hour.
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So okay, that's over with.
So you may have overheard that I've been having a rather hard time getting my fangirl mitts on the two bits of TF merch that I really, really want, namely the Arcee figurine and the AllSpark Almanac Vol. 2. Specifically, I couldn't seem to find them anywhere.
So I decided that, one morning, I was just going to the local Toys R' Us and ask them to hold an Arcee figurine for me when it came in. You can do that, right? Especially since it's a Toys R' Us exclusive.
Except it turns out that Arcee is specifically sold to be rare, with only one or two of her in each new shipment of her Animated toy wave - and there's only one small shipment at a time, since most of the Transformers section of my local Toys R' Us is taken up with Bayverse toys, so the odds of her showing up are already slim. And because it's listed in the store catalog as just "Animated Deluxe-Class Figurine" - the specific figurine isn't listed, so there's no way for them to order it individually or check its stock status.
Oh, and because Arcee is such a rare figurine, area collectors tend to arrive before opening time when the pallets first come in and buy her toy on the spot on the rare occasions she's in the order, so she rarely ever even gets to the store shelves. And a lot of the people who buy that way are toy scalpers, which explains why all the Arcee figurines I can find on Amazon are double or more the retail price.
So unless I want to be one of those people who stalks the toy trucks at six in the morning, no Arcee for me. And no, I'm not ordering the thirty-five dollar ones off of eBay or Amazon. Because that would be letting the reselling jerks win. *stubborn face*
So I decided, screw it, I'll get the Almanac instead, surely that'll be easier to find. But then I thought that our Local Comic Shop had closed, and that was supposed to be the main venue for distribution of this thing. So, checked Barnes and Noble, since they had a comic book section and it usually carries a handful of TF comics, but not only did they not have it, none of the B&N in my entire area had even a single copy. So once again, no way to order it.
Driving around with J and M yesterday, and it turns out that Local Comic Shop has indeed not closed! It's merely moved from the mall it used to be in to the shopping center across the street! So, today, I decided to wander on over there and check to see if they had it. Naturally, not only did they not have it, but there seemed to be no record of it ever even being in stock.
The girl at the counter was very nice, however, and offered to look up the Almanac to see if there was any possibility of ordering it, which meant that we ended up on Amazon. And while there was apparently one copy left that was still at the retail price, all the other copies, new and used? Were upwards of two hundred fucking dollars.
I would like to re-emphasize this. TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS. For a comic book (effectively) that came out maybe two months ago and, so far as I can tell, isn't even out of print. What exact kind of craziness is going down here.
So, yeah, I just bucked up and ordered it on Amazon, even if that means I won't get the book until almost October. At least I got to pay retail for it instead of two hundred dollars.
It's so strange, though. It's like if you don't want to buy a Bayverse toy, you're shit out of luck unless you're ready to jump through a whole bunch of hoops. I'm trying to give you my money, Hasbro. Making it more difficult for me to do so seems like kind of an assbackwards business plan.
So. Ahem. I just had to get the complaining out of my system. At least the Clerk Lady also pointed me to the Wonder Woman Blackest Night event series, which is only three brief books long and looks amazing, so, it's not all bad at all. Freaking Bayverse.
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Mostly unrelated point: How much would you all judge me if I used a Nightwish lyric as a fic title?
I'm normally very bad at titles; if I don't cop out and use a song or a line of poetry, my titles tend to be very descriptive and flat, often only one word. So, more and more I've been turning to songs, flicking through my playlist until something catches my fancy.
Unfortunately, the one lyric I've decided might be a little bit perfect for the Optimus/Blackarachnia
Of course, there are times when I have the opposite problem - i.e. I have a title and one or two lines but no content - but that doesn't happen nearly as often as the No Title problem. Thus far there's only two free-floating titles I've got, one for the Prime/Primal
So, flist that writes, how do you come up with titles? If you use lyrics, how do you choose which ones to use, and how do you get over the creeping feeling of being judged over your musical tastes? If you eschew lyrics, how do you know when a title's just right?
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UGH WHY IS IT 2 AM AGAIN. Good night, you guys. I'm sorry I whined at you for like an hour.
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Our area doesn't have any collectibles shows that I know of, save for antique fairs, and those generally don't have Transformers toys. Except for one guy I found who tried to charge me $300 for a Powermaster Optimus Prime, despite how I've never seen it go for more than $150, but even he didn't have any current toys.
(P.S. Do you happen to have a PayPal account? Because if you'd be willing to pick up an Arcee for me, I'd be happy to pay for it plus shipping.)
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Also yes I have paypal, and I'd be willing to pcik it up; next show is Sat but I work then. :|a I'll have to see how soon I can catch it and still make work aaah.
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(Also, it's "Après moi le Déluge")
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And thank you so much for the translation! I've been trying to pick up some French (in part so that I can read your journal!), but I always end up putting in hyphens where they don't belong and adding extra letters. I really appreciate the correction!
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fhgsfdhkgjg ARCEE ;_; I'm sorry you're having trouble finding her. I realized I wanted TFA Grimlock, until I realized I wouldn't be able to get him for less than 30, and ugh. I'm not that far gone yet, so I completely understand.
Dude the Almanac... I don't even fucking know. If the earliest you can get it is October, I may as well put in my order as well because the last time I checked, I was in for a wait time of four to six months. I was astonished. Then I went looking for the first volume and had an unpleasant surprise like you did at the store: I could buy it for over a couple hundred bucks. What. the. shit. I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY MONEY, HASBRO. PLEASE DO ANOTHER RUN OF THE FIRST VOLUME WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.
I absolutely love that title for the Optimus/Blackarachnia. Oh goodness. Also, Nightwish is lovely, nothing wrong with that - hell, I named a story after a Lady Gaga song so I can't really say anything. On that note, I almost always borrow titles from music or poetry. This is a weird one: I have a Longarm/Blurr story titled "Prelude (Signal Return)" because it just felt right, no other reason. It's from the intro for a Tiger Army album, but I couldn't get myself to go with anything else.
I've seen people make fun of some titles because they're perfect out of context, but if it's an easily recognizable source and the source is not at all appropriate for the story... An example: The other Blurr story I'm working on - I think I've mentioned it to you before, Disassembled? the full title is "and I who am here disassembled" because it's perfect on both literal and figurative levels, but the full line it's from is "we shine with brightness, and I who am here disassembled proffer my deeds to oblivion and my love to the posterity of the desert and the fruit of the gourd" ...which is somewhat less perfect.
So. Anyway. I guess what I'm working up to is if a title fits, it fits. How I know is when I try to use a different title and nothing else works, and I try not to worry that people will judge me for using my shitty music to title my story XD
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Sigh.
I didn't know that about the Almanac, especially not the first one! You'd think that the first one would have had a wider release, especially with the second one coming out and how popular it was with fans. I mean, I kind of get why the release of Volume 2 is so scant, in order to drive up demand and ensure that the most copies get snapped up and thus create the most return for their money, but...that still seems like a weird way to go about it, since it's not like they get any of the secondary-market profits, and all it does is frustrate people and maybe lose some more casual buyers who aren't willing to shell out that much money or wait that long.
FUCKIN' HASBRO, MAN. Honestly, knowing all the problems everyone else has had finding this thing really tempts me to scan and put up my copy when I get it, but TF profandom is pretty savvy and the chance that I'd get smacked down with a tremendous lawsuit is too great. Also, despite the desire to flip off Hasbro for screwing over the Animated product line I'd also be indirectly flipping off Jim Sorenson and Bill Forster, and they've done nothing to deserve that.
I'm so glad I'm not the only Nightwish fan in these parts. :D And normally I wouldn't have as much of a problem, but it's just that that one song has so many memetic implications what with the whole YTMND thing, and I don't want to make it unintentionally funny.
hell, I named a story after a Lady Gaga song so I can't really say anything.
Yeah, but it works so it doesn't really matter. :D Besides, we're all eventually going to end up using a Lady Gaga lyric as a title anyway so you may as well embrace it and do it with class. (And, actually, the other title I had in mind for the OP/BA fic was "A Halo Round Her Finger Around You", from "Alejandro", but it didn't quite fit the way I wanted it to.) (And also why am I so crappy at leaving reviews, aaagh.)
You know, I never would have guessed the context, even from the line, and even knowing that context the line is still so perfect I can see why you'd use it regardless. It sounds so much...sadder and more helpless than it does in context. That said, the full line you quoted is gorgeous and I must know what the poem is so I can read it in full.
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I went to go check on Amazon to make sure I wasn't makin' shit up, and yeah: 4 used from $299.95 FFFFFFFFF- however? They do seem to be taking orders again at the retail cost, although they don't specify when they'll have copies in stock. I'm going for it anyway, because last time I checked, that wasn't even an option, it was used or nothing. I'll just order both and see which of them gets to me before my birthday in January :D
Yeah, I keep getting tempted to suss out, er, alternate copies? and always change my mind. So, so much of TF canon is owned and produced by fans... I don't want to fuck them over, and I certainly don't want a lawsuit :D
It's been a while since I listened to Nightwish but oh goodness yes, I love them. I wasn't even aware of any YTMND connections, so I never would have known that if you didn't point it out.
Besides, we're all eventually going to end up using a Lady Gaga lyric as a title anyway so you may as well embrace it and do it with class.
HELL YEAH. And huh, yeah, I like that Alejandro line but I'm already sold on the Nightwish title, it works so well. Also, crappy, what? *headtilt*
Yay, an excuse to pimp TS Eliot :D I'm not what you'd call a poetry fan, but like everyone else in high school, I had to read The Wasteland, and unlike the rest of my class, I genuinely did like it and it stuck with me for years until I went out and got his collected works. My next tattoo will be "only through time time is conquered" from Burnt Norton~ *starry eyes* Anyway, the 'disassembled' line is from "Ash Wednesday - II".
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No, don't worry, I saw the same thing. $300. For, like, 200 pages. I could understand if it had been out of print for twenty years - well, no, I still wouldn't get it, but it would make a little more sense, at least. But for something that's been out for two months? I don't even get it. People would probably not stop ordering if they had the promise of getting it earlier than six months after they ordered it.
Also, crappy, what? *headtilt*
And by crappy I mean slow to leave reviews on things I've read and liked. I should do that, I have the tab open and the comment box open and everything and I just. What do I saaaaay. >___<
You know, I'm normally a big Modernism fan, but The Wasteland never connected with me the way, say, E. A. Robinson's poetry did. I liked most of the rest of Eliot's work, but I found The Wasteland too huge and sprawling and full of footnotes for me to get into. Which is odd, because I loved "Howl" when we got to Alan Ginsburg and that's just as sprawling and huge and full of references I don't get, but. It felt like it sprawled in a more specific direction, if that makes any sense?
I should probably still mine it for titles, though. And maybe read it again and see if I get it this time.
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Exactly, right? TF stuff is so backwards. Well, okay, I guess collectible stuff is like this, but I'm new to it, so I still find it boggling. I do get that the Almanac is awesome but I'm sorry, it's not 300 bucks worth of awesome. According to the email I got from Amazon though, I could get my copy of Volume 2 by the end of the month - holy shit! That is way sooner than I expected :D
On that note, I just got your other comments in my inbox and I was like OHHHHH THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT XDDDDDD I, uh, did not put two and two together on that one, and now I am somewhat embarrassed ahahaha. I'm usually pretty terrible about leaving feedback, but I'm trying (really, very hard) to be better about it in this fandom, because it is relatively tiny and there are so many canons that if you find someone who writes That Thing You Like, you want them to feel appreciated. That being said, I pretty much have to go through about half the links on my delicious account and leave feedback where I haven't yet. *weep*
That makes perfect sense! I figure the difference between being ~into poetry~ and being into a couple of poems is that when you find something that speaks to you, that's important, but you don't sit there waxing prosaic about every single poem in the universe and what it means. I'm with you though, The Wasteland was why I went looking for the rest of his work, and while I love it, it's not my favorite. The Four Quartets are, without a doubt.
Mining for titles was so my ulterior motive :3 I have found many I would love to use.
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You know what it is? It's Beanie Babies the hell all over again. Where there'll be one or two that are hundreds of dollars because they made like, five of them. And then as soon as everyone who's going to shell out that kind of money has done so the price goes down and everyone has one of those five-hundred-dollar bears. And the upshot is that little kids don't get the stuffed toys they want half the time because they get retired every five minutes to drive demand up. Why do I get involved in collectibles I should know better by now. :(
I'm usually pretty terrible about leaving feedback, but I'm trying (really, very hard) to be better about it in this fandom
It's the same thing for me, really - Doctor Who fandom is enormous, but there's only a few people writing Old Who fic and even fewer writing about the particular Doctors and companions I wanted to read about, so I was more conscious of the fact that, if I didn't leave feedback, not as many people would. IT still took me ages to not feel awkward leaving comments when I didn't think I had anything particularly constructive to say beyond "I loved this and it was awesome" but...getting there. Slowly, slowly getting there.
I don't think even people who are ~into poetry~ can go on about every single poem ever; I had a couple of professors in college who were poets or who studied poetry, and while they were much more widely read in poetry than I was, their study and work still tended to cluster around the writers and themes that personally meant the most to them. A poet who loved the themes of the Postmodernists wasn't about to go on about how great William Blake was without prompting
although they should because Blake is amazing. But, yeah, I'd already read "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" in school by the time we really got into Eliot in college, and for the most part I preferred his earlier works, but I remember trying to read through "The Waste Land" just because I felt like I should, hitting a footnote *within* a footnote, boggling, and putting the book away. Maybe I should give it another shot now that I'm not trying to actually think about anything else; I might be more patient. XD(no subject)
(Yeah... sheesh LJ, MY FAMILY is on Facebook! Why would I want them to see my fanfic? I already have to hide the paper drafts to avoid mockage of my writing style!)
As to the story titles, I never recognize songs anyway, but I see no reason one should turn down the perfect phrase just because it has associations that somebody or other looks down on.
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I think enough people on LJ aren't fannishly involved that the prospect of fannish and real-life separation wasn't an issue that the dev team had in mind. But even if you're not in fandom, I'd think that you wouldn't necessarily want those two spheres to intermingle - maybe even if you don't write fic you still have things on your journal you wouldn't want your family and real-life friends to see. I don't get it.
Normally I'm not all that worried about associations, but this song is associated with a particular YTMND meme, so I'm just worried about that image getting in there. But since the meme doesn't appear to be as widespread as I thought it was, I'm not all that worried. :D Thank you!
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Between that and the dollar-to-peso exchange rate? I think I'm stuck reading about the nerdy references on TF Wiki.
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(P.S. check your inbox.)
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I've never seen crazy toy scalpers at our Toys R Us though. I haven't seen any Arcees on the shelves either, but my boyfriend was sweet and surprised me with one he miraculously found. I hope you find one soon, that's ridiculous!
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I don't know for a fact that there's toy scalping going on at my Toys'R'Us, but given the speed with which every toy but one seems to disappear, I'm willing to bet that we at least have a few avid collectors around even if people aren't actually reselling. But who knows. And aww, how sweet of him. :D
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OK, that made me giggle. Though I sympathize. That does seem a tad ridiculous.
I find that many of the best titles come from lyrics (provided they aren't, like, 20 words long because people just can't bear to cut down a phrase to its relevant core). As a reader, most times I've never even heard the source material and I rarely connect the lyric to it anyway - it just looks like a neat phrase.
Meanwhile, it has been a very long time since I've given anything a title, but half the time I pick whichever lyric floats through my head (I'm spoiled for choice), and half the time I'll try to lift a brief phrase from the story itself.
P.S. "Après moi, le Deluge." And technically, Regina Spektor has also appropriated it for a song lyric. :D
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Song lyrics, I find, are more often oblique and metaphorical or suggestive titles, whereas the ones I think of on my own (and, sometimes, the ones other people think up) are a bit more literal and direct, which takes some of the...poetry out of it? I don't know, it's hard to describe. I have done the "brief phrase from the story" bit, though, and it seems to work pretty well.
Thank you, also, for correcting my French. The only reason I even know the phrase is from my history class, and our teacher spoke it, not wrote it, and I have absolutely no grasp of how all the silent consonants in French work. I should learn one of these days...
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Sucks about Arcee too, and I agree - us non-Bayverse collectors have a rough time of it right now. I'm at least glad I have two out of three of my favorite Animated characters - I think I can be satisfied with that, though I would still love a Prowl. I really hope they do a toyline for Prime, because even if the series is terrible, some of the designs are really pretty. Arcee pleeeeease. Not to mention some more WFC figures would be awesome - I would snap up Breakdown or any Seeker in a heartbeat. (Mostly Thundercracker. Or Slipstream. But any Seeker, seriously.)
As for titles: I usually end up with crappy one-word titles because I am incurably lazy. Though Latin phrases are also fun and pretentious. I find it easier to title original fiction, actually - my big project right now is called "The Rifters" after the group of main characters, for example, and it works pretty well... but I can't exactly title a fanfic "The Decepticons." That would be silly.
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What gets me is that the gap between movies is longer than the gap between when Animated ended and now - but Bayverse merch is taking up all the shelf space. I guess it's the grown-ups who have more money to spend on the toys and they're more likely to buy Bayverse merch? Or something? You'd think that WFC would be a rich merchandising vein with the older fans, but...um...like I said, I didn't go to business school.
I always end up being so direct with one-word or one-phrase titles, and while they're indicative enough of what the fic's actually about they always feel too indicative to me. Like there should be more mystery to it, I guess. I hadn't thought of using Latin phrases, though! I'll have to try that next time.
Original works are much easier to think up titles for - like you said, for original fiction, you can use the names of characters, worlds, events, whatever, but in fanfic everyone already knows what those are, so there's no mystery to it, no incentive to check it out and find out what it is.
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Wow, overpricing sucks. :(
Nightwish is amazing. I can't judge you for using their lyrics as a fic title as I used a ton of their lyrics in my old Diaryland layout, which was Yu-Gi-Oh! themed. Yeah.
Usually my titles are the last, and hardest, thing I come up with. I just try to pick something that gives a basic gist of the point of the story, whatever that may be. Some of them turn out all right, others (Dining with the Devilish, I'm looking at you) just suck outright. I've used songs as title-spiration a couple of times; most recently, "One of These Knights", a Knight Rider 2008/Bayverse TF crossover, courtesy of "One of These Nights" by The Eagles. That was inkeeping with the KR episode titling gimmick, though - all their episode titles were song titles with "night" in them replaced with "knight" haha.
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I'm just surprised that there's that *much* overpricing; I kind of figured there'd be markups, but $300? Eeesh.
You have no idea how happy I am not to be the only Nightwish fan on my flist. MY MUSICAL TASTES ARE VALIDATED HURRAH. :D And yeah, when I can make out their lyrics, they're generally really good for titles and layouts and icons; I'm kind of surprised I haven't used one already.
I really like the title "Dining with the Devilish", actually. It's catchy and unexpected. :D And I didn't know that about the Knight Rider titles! I imagine having a pre-existing title format like that must have made your job a bit easier, though. Maybe I should start writing for fandoms like that.