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posted by [personal profile] stunt_muppet at 07:53pm on 03/01/2010 under ,
Does anyone know what the wank surrounding OTW/AO3 and Yuletide moving to AO3 was about? I keep hearing references to the wank, but none of the actual wank. Apparently Remix is moving to AO3 too?

Also NO NO NO. One of my New Years Resolutions is to STOP SIGNING UP FOR FICATHONS. That means no Remix. It also most certainly doesn't mean writing one more Miami fic and two more TFA fics to become elgible for Remix. Stop that right now.

I should post a list of resolutions. Just to keep track of them.
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posted by [identity profile] kindkit.livejournal.com at 01:34am on 04/01/2010
Some people are full of fear and loathing about OTW that I really, truly do not comprehend. They're convinced that it's all an evil cabal of BNFs, or an evil cabal of academics who Don't Care About Fandom, or both. Some opponents have decided that the OTW's public stance in favor of the legality of transformative fanworks means that they're going to deliberately draw the attention of copyright holders to them and try to provoke a lawsuit (despite the fact that the OTW has repeatedly said they have no such aim).

I've seen OTW-haters twist logic in the most amazing ways--recently, for example, Transformative Works and Culture, the online academic journal associated with the OTW, issued guidelines saying it preferred--but didn't require--that its contributors get permission from anyone whose online posts (fanfic, meta, etc.) were quoted in their essays. The thing is, this was an attempt to be considerate of fans, because academia in general treats things publicly posted online as published and therefore fair game for quotation and analysis. But some people had absolute shit fits about the guidelines, claiming that the journal was encouraging its evil, evil academics to quote fans without permission, and somehow this was equivalent to outing and would bring down the wrath of TPTB on the fans quoted. This kind of reaction presumably came from people with no idea how academic discourse actually works, but factual correction had no impact on their response that I could tell.

So, when Yuletide announced the move to AO3, there was wank. And wank erupted periodically as people who hadn't bothered to watch the admin comm or read announcements noticed, after having signed up, that they'd have to post on AO3. (This fact was announced before sign-ups, but as I said, some people signed up without bothering to check the rules.) There's been even more wank over Yuletide's plan to move the old story archive onto AO3; I've heard the someone threatened to issue a DMCA takedown notice, although I haven't been able to track down where it happened. (I haven't tried very hard, as I'm thoroughly sick of this stupid wank.) Because apparently some people who have no hesitation posting fanfic on for-profit sites like LJ that don't give a damn about fandom just can't bear the prospect of their stories being uploaded to a non-profit archive run democratically by and for fans.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 03:17am on 04/01/2010
...huh. If OTW says it encourages people quoting fanworks to get permission, how would you construe that as giving academics license to quote without permission? At least OTW is addressing the issue of quotation, which leaves someone who doesn't want to be cited some recourse. You're shit out of luck if someone cites you on LJ of FF.net and you don't want to be.

I understand the distrust a lot of fandom has towards academia (hi, Surveyfail) but it's a shame that that distrust has built up into such a sweeping anti-academic attitude, especially since a lot of people who actually grew up in fandom and have experienced it might potentially be able to do a lot more thorough and less offensive academic work. Plus academics tend to write better fic.
 
posted by [identity profile] kindkit.livejournal.com at 05:09am on 04/01/2010
If OTW says it encourages people quoting fanworks to get permission, how would you construe that as giving academics license to quote without permission

As far as I can tell, because people who don't know better are assuming that other journals require authors to get permission (which they don't) or that somehow academics can only find fanworks via OTW and its affiliates (laughably untrue).

the distrust a lot of fandom has towards academia (hi, Surveyfail)

But that wasn't academia! The guys had Ph.D.s, yes, but they were writing a popular book, not an academic book, and their research had no institutional oversight and their survey had not been reviewed by an ethics committee dealing with research on human subjects. The failings of their research were not due to it being academic, but due to it NOT being. Using them as an example of why academia is harmful to fandom (as I've seen lots of people doing) is just not correct.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 07:43pm on 06/01/2010
But they did use their academic credentials (their Ph.Ds and the supposed backing of the university, even if they didn't have it) to try to make a profit off of fandom, and that's what I think people fear other academics are doing. Even if someone running a legitimate study had full university backing, had gone through an ethics committee, and had consulted with fans in designing the research, it's difficult to prove a negative, so the suspicion that it's all faked and meant to take advantage of fandom hangs around even when that's not plausible.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 01:40am on 04/01/2010
I don't know if this is what people are referring to, but I saw some complaints about the interface/tagging system at AO3 making the stories "unreadable" and unfindable (I always go by recs to read and found the old Yuletide archive very heard to search anyway, so...), and then throw in the usual "OTW/AO3 is out to destroy fandom as we know it" stuff. *shrugs* So, really, no idea.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 03:24am on 04/01/2010
I thought the tags made things a lot easier, actually; it let me be much more specific about the kind of content I had in each fic, made warnings easier, and made it far, far easier to find fic I'd actually want to read without sifting through dozens and dozens of "meh" fics. I don't know what system they're using.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 03:29am on 04/01/2010
I don't know, I haven't had any problems with the place myself but some folks vociferously beg to differ. De gustibus as always.

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