posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:36pm on 27/12/2009
I just feel like, why bother? It's only going to make me angry. I'll wait until Moff Time and see if things get less objectionable, and if not I still have Old Who to play in and no prerogative to pay any attention to anything after "Parting of the Ways". The only thing I feel bad about is not watching it with my Dad, since I think he wanted to see it and it's not fair to make him miss it.

The Holmes movie is actually not bad! I feel like a lot of movies really push the "bromance" thing because it's What The Audience Wants, which ends up feeling forced and manipulative, but RDJ and Jude Law manage to make the Holmes/Watson thing feel genuine, mostly because their relationship is strained and teasing and based on mutual poking at each other as much as anything else. I can't help but cringe a bit in anticipation of the very, very bad fic about to be unleashed on the poor Holmes fans, but it'll be interesting to watch where that fandom goes.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 09:06pm on 27/12/2009
"I just feel like, why bother? It's only going to make me angry. I'll wait until Moff Time and see if things get less objectionable, and if not I still have Old Who to play in."

That's exactly how I feel about it--I really want Eleven to be awesome but if he's not, well, that's show biz and I can go back to pretending The Well-Mannered War was the final episode. I haven't heard a single thing about EoT that makes me think I'd like it and I couldn't be more sick of Ten than if he'd been living in my house stealing my leftovers and refusing to pay rent, so...why bother.

"I can't help but cringe a bit in anticipation of the very, very bad fic about to be unleashed on the poor Holmes fans, but it'll be interesting to watch where that fandom goes."

I can already hear the grumbling ahead of time and because I'm a bad person it amuses me. :-D Just mark it "movie!canon" and go merrily on your way, everyone, there's plenty of room for crackfic in any fandom.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 10:14pm on 27/12/2009
I haven't heard a single thing about EoT that makes me think I'd like it

I think my thoughts, reading reactions, can be summed up with "so you decided to rip off the crappy Matrix sequels and not The Matrix, then?" And I really don't like feeling this blah about the series, because I used to really like Ten and think the show was going interesting places with him, but by now I'm just tired of everything he represents in the show - the endless, unearned angst, the Doctor-centered morality, the doting hero-worship and setting up the Doctor as both savior and ideal mate...blah.

I can already hear the grumbling ahead of time and because I'm a bad person it amuses me.

I am an equally bad person because I'm looking forward to the "I shipped Holmes/Watson BEFORE IT WAS COOL, damn kids get offa my lawn"/"Irene Adler is such a Mary Sue, this series is supposed to be all about the boys!"/"blah blah anachronism blah blah you got your steampunk crap in my Sherlock Holmes blah"/"I hope Moriarty's fugly so people can't ship him and Holmes" kerfuffles. Between that and actually feeling sorry for the old!fen I'm feeling all a bit torn.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 10:23pm on 27/12/2009
"I'm just tired of everything he represents in the show - the endless, unearned angst, the Doctor-centered morality, the doting hero-worship and setting up the Doctor as both savior and ideal mate...blah."

Particularly now I find out that what everybody thought was the whole point of WoM, namely the fall into mad hubris at the end, was apparently meant to have been insty-cured by Adelaide's leap into the refrigerator and now we all go back to feeling sorry for poor ickle woobie Ten? Please God, save it. T-minus five days and we finally see the back of him and his Jesus complex, and I couldn't be happier. (And also now wondering why I bothered watching even the bits of WoM I did at all, as it was all apparently literally pointless.)

"I hope Moriarty's fugly so people can't ship him and Holmes"

Too late, old!fen. I'm just saying. :-D
Edited Date: 2009-12-27 10:24 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 10:48pm on 27/12/2009
Particularly now I find out that what everybody thought was the whole point of WoM...was apparently meant to have been insty-cured and now we all go back to feeling sorry for poor ickle woobie Ten?

Apparently. I think the episode even starts out with him being...called up or something? As punishment for his hubris? And then he goes and does something else. I don't get it. That's a whole plot thread we just drove away from right there.


There is a disturbed part of me that wants Jeff Bridges to play Moriarty so that I can weave crack!theories about how this Holmes!verse is actually the Iron Man movieverse in a parallel dimension, but that part of me rarely has good ideas.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 10:52pm on 27/12/2009
"I don't get it. That's a whole plot thread we just drove away from right there."

So business as usual, then. Good luck to everyone who still thinks this is all going to come together in some exquisitely complex Five-Year Plan in the last episode (right about when Godot returns from over the yardarm, I guess), I have a feeling they're gonna need it.

"There is a disturbed part of me that wants Jeff Bridges to play Moriarty so that I can weave crack!theories about how this Holmes!verse is actually the Iron Man movieverse in a parallel dimension, but that part of me rarely has good ideas."

If someone out there isn't already working on fic where Downey's Holmes is actually also Tony Stark then I simply don't know fandom like I think I do. :-D
Edited Date: 2009-12-27 10:52 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 10:21pm on 28/12/2009
Good luck to everyone who still thinks this is all going to come together in some exquisitely complex Five-Year Plan in the last episode

At least it leaves plenty of good-sized plot holes for decent fanfic writers to fill in...? Yeah, that's the only way I'm seeing this ending. A 75-minute long nonsense parade followed by years of fix-it fic of varying quality and motive, just like Journey's End and Last of the Time Lords and Doomsday and probably Parting of the Ways but I don't remember back then produced. Except I'm so burned out on the characters I don't know if I'll even want to read it.

If someone out there isn't already working on fic where Downey's Holmes is actually also Tony Stark then I simply don't know fandom like I think I do.

If there is any way to make Pepper Potts secretly some sort of time-traveling Irene Adler I may just have to break out the good crack. Surely there's a plot device somewhere I could use.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 05:31am on 29/12/2009
"Yeah, that's the only way I'm seeing this ending. A 75-minute long nonsense parade followed by years of fix-it fic of varying quality and motive, just like Journey's End and Last of the Time Lords and Doomsday..."

Just think how senseless Friday's episode is going to be, AND he has to work in both the regeneration AND all the cameos of apparently almost every last goddamned person who's ever been on the show (though, in fairness, who didn't pine nightly for more Midshipman Frame after VotD?--oh, God, Rusty). Yeah, skipping with a lighthearted light heart.

"Except I'm so burned out on the characters I don't know if I'll even want to read it."

I'm sick to death of everything RTD!Who-related, including all the characters like Donna I used to just love. I'm hoping to God we're done forever with the era of dragging back every last companion and guest character every fucking fifteen minutes because I want a change, a real change and a fresh start. Though if I hate it, as noted, I can just start with "Unearthly Child" again and take it from there.

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