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posted by [personal profile] stunt_muppet at 11:55pm on 13/12/2008 under
You know how I occasionally whine about how my PBS station back home never plays Doctor Who, especially not the old series, except at 1 a.m. on random weeknights?

Turns out my college PBS station airs an episode (of New School, but hey) pretty reliably at 11 p.m. every Saturday night. If the Christmas gift season doesn't take too much out of me, I may have to send them money. Plus, one of the donor swag items is the special 4-disc re-release of The Three-and-a-half Doctors and a Bloke in a Wig The Five Doctors.

Tonight they ran The Impossible Planet, and I realized I've never actually typed up my thoughts, brief or otherwise, on said episode. I'm going to address it mostly separately from The Satan Pit, since TSP has some issues that TIP doesn't, but in brief:

- Good: Gabriel Woolf's vaguely homoerotic Beast voice. He just seems to be really good at playing Satan characters, doesn't he?

Seriously, though, I liked his voice better than the fairly generic roaring we get from the actual Beast, and I think I like it better than the Ood mass-voice as well. It's purring and sinister and predatory and cultured and I like it. I wish he'd spoken more often.

Which brings me to my disappointment with the Beast himself. The CG work was good, yes, but a great big roary thing with horns just feels like a letdown when we're supposed to facing the incarnate of all that is evil. At least Azal had a slightly nonstandard appearance (satyr rather than Chernabog), even if he ultimately didn't come off any better due to the lulzy special effects.

Not to mention, I have issues whenever New Who monsters or aliens get too godlike. Sutekh and Azal were described as inspirations for Satan and Devil figures the universe over, but they were also explicitly and textually described as Sufficiently Advanced Aliens. The Beast is said to be from Before Time, Sealed Away By The Disciples of Light...basically, all the hallmarks of an Elder God. And aside from my irritation at Cthulu-style mythos being shoehorned into every bit of popular SF ever, it violates a few of the principles of the Whoniverse. This doesn't stand out quite so much in TIP, but the segment where Toby's tattoos fly off his face and "possess" the Ood calls it to attention in a very bad way. Possession I can deal with - psychic powers are canonical in the Whoniverse; Sutekh can possess people. But flying face ink just ventures way too far over to the supernatural side of things.

Lookit me, debating and nitpicking canon like one of the boys. *potshot*

- The way the Ood are handled still doesn't sit right with me. I'm glad it was addressed in Planet of the Ood, but the Doctor's sheer apathy in the face of the Ood's slavery is glaring. Rose is bothered by it. Even after she's told that the Ood "choose" slavery, she remains uncomfortable - or at least seems that way, in her interactions with the Ood serving her dinner. She wouldn't ask if it got paid if she was perfectly okay with it being a slave. The Doctor? Not one bloody word.

It's one of the moments in S2 that makes me uncomfortable with Ten, because right there, it feels like he's not the Doctor, not really. Because the Doctor wouldn't stand for a slave race. The Doctor would be angry on their behalf.

- That said, watching a Rose episode divorced from the fandom sturm und drang over her is really quite refreshing. She's a bit flip in the beginning (which is sort of understandable, given that she doesn't know that the TARDIS is gone), but I love that she was appalled by the slavery of the Ood and never really accepts it. I like her sarcastic banter with the crew at first. "What's your position, cheif dramatist?"

If I may, for a moment, state my opinion of a very touchy scene without causing a huge pile of wank: I think the "you'd have to get a morgage" line was a joke on Rose's part. Settling down and adapting is what Rose would have to do, because she's human; I think she forgets, for a moment, that the Doctor can't do that, until he react to her suggestion. And I think, eventually, she would like to settle down somewhere, and even with him, even if she knows, consciously, he can't do that. What you know doesn't always affect what you want. Which, on the one hand, points to her actually being in love with the Doctor, and not just his sweet ride (I'm not going to touch whether the Doctor is in love with her, okay? Not here and not now.). On the other hand, that doesn't make the end of Journey's End any less skeevy, nor the implications of The Stolen Earth.

Straying from the wankiness, I do quite like the crew of the space station, even with the condition of the Ood. I found most of them fairly well-realized, especially Zach and Ida, although I suppose that's to be expected given that they're the ones we spend the most time with. I liked the older one, with the wife, as well, though his name escapes me. All in all, possibly not my favorite New Who guest cast, but pretty high up on the list.

- I was never quite clear on how Ida and Scooti are related. Are they mother and daughter? Cousins? Sisters (unlikely, but possible)? They look so much alike, and are dressed and made up so similarly that I feel like they're supposed to be related, but if they ever said so I missed it.

Also, Scooti's death still plays very well; the image of her floating out in space, her body somehow intact (I can handwave away her lack of decompressed warping by postulating that the Beast is holding her body in place because he knows the crew is watching, although I admit that's unlikely), her elbow bent as if she's only waving goodbye...it's grim and strangely beautiful, and one of the more successful uses of CGI.

- That said, why didn't her body warp from depressurization? The "Beast wanting to freak out the crew" explanation is sort of implausible; I only drag it in because the image is creepy enough that I'd rather not lose it.

- SOMEONE TURN DOWN THE MUSIC. For the most part, I think the music here is actually okay (except for the music after Toby gets possessed; I think that would have been much more effective with no music or, if we had to have music, with the Bolero still going in the background, softly but reaching its crescendo) but New Who's consistent problem with sound mixing is especially egregious here. There are times when I can't hear what anyone's saying, which is a problem, given that the dialogue is sort of important.

- So, basically, more Gabriel Woolf is what I'm saying.
 

I suppose I should go back to studying now, but as a parting word, since I do tend to leave the TV on as background noise while I study: does it strike anyone else as strange to run not one but two ads for thinly-veiled phone sex hotlines during the airing of a children's movie? Even if it is late at night?

There's an audience disconnect there, is all I'm saying.

And now they're running another one! Creepy.

Mood:: 'blah' blah
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posted by [identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com at 06:29am on 14/12/2008
I still haven't seen that one, but I think I remember someone claiming that Ida and Scooti were lovers.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 06:33am on 14/12/2008
See, I might've thought that, but they've got the same hair and the same clothes and everything. If they are lovers, they've got a kind of creepy arrangement going on there.
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 06:37am on 14/12/2008
The devil thing was...yeah, just incoherent roaring seemed dumb after he's supposed to be he center of all negativity and stuff. You'd expect something more sinister. I did, however, enjoy Ten getting into a roaring contest with him. XD

I think the mortgage line was a joke, too. I think people overstate what that scene actually means. I mean, they pile a lot of problems onto it that are true of Rose, but that I don't think the scene was about. The thing that pisses me off about the scene was that I was actually enjoying the jokey banter and then they decide it to cut it short with Cutesy Awkwardness.

This is my position on the Ood in that story: I wanted to smack the crap out of that one crewmember who treated them like they were worthless (hey, asshole, they're doing a ton of your work for you, who's worthless again? I hate it when people treat those who are HELPING THEM like they're lesser beings). But I thought that the whole treatment of/respect for the Ood was addressed at the end when they considered them to matter and mourned them and everything, so their inclusion wasn't entirely disregarded. However, sticking a repressed slave race in a Who story and then not having it be the center of the Doctor's focus is WEIRD, I will totally agree to that.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 07:05am on 14/12/2008
I expected something more articulate, at least. He couldn't even talk. I know that was handwaved as his "brain" being in Toby's body, but the whole Generabog thing might have been less glaring had we got some Gabriel Woolf action in there.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rose and Ten have their issues, but I don't think she really expects the Doctor to settle down with her, even if in some way she might want it. Which is why it became so awkward. But I think it was mostly her teasing him and trying to make light of a pretty grim situation. I think, if the joking had gone on a little bit longer ("And you'll have to do laundry, and mow the lawn - they even still got lawns anymore?"), that would have been clearer and the scene, on the whole, would draw a lot less wank.

They were mourned at the end, but there's also the fact that the Doctor didn't save them. I know, I know, within the story he couldn't, but the fact that he couldn't from a textual perspective bothers me. Because if he had, he would have had to ferry them off to another planet, which means he wouldn't have been able to rocket off dramatically near the end. Which grates, because it relegates the Ood to cannon fodder, not as valuable as the humans. It just...I don't know. I'm glad that at least they addressed it somewhat in Planet of the Ood, but really, they could've achieved the same effect with nonsentient service robots.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 06:45am on 14/12/2008
"New Who's consistent problem with sound mixing is especially egregious here. There are times when I can't hear what anyone's saying, which is a problem, given that the dialogue is sort of important."

I swear there are episodes where if I can clearly hear about a third of the dialogue, I'm lucky. They seem routinely to forget that the music should go UNDERNEATH the actors' voices and it drives me up a wall.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 07:11am on 14/12/2008
No kidding. In isolation, some of the musical score is actually quite pretty, but it's just turned up so loud. The louder music = more intense emotion adage kind of falls apart when you can't tell what's going on, save for a general emotional cue that the music provides.
 
posted by [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com at 06:55am on 14/12/2008
The Three-and-a-half Doctors and a Bloke in a Wig

DAMN IT! Now I want to listen to that commentary AGAIN and I swear I already feel like I've hit some new, heretofore unknown level of geekiness for having listened to it (audio only) as many times as I have. ::sigh:: Damn those 3 for being so hilarious.

That said, watching a Rose episode divorced from the fandom sturm und drang over her is really quite refreshing.

I couldn't agree more. It's the only way I can watch her and not hate the entire fandom. I mean I always loved her, she was my first companion. And I enjoyed the hell out of so many of her episodes. Watching her without all of the baggage makes me very, very happy. That being said, I found so much of S2 Ten to be disturbing and un-Doctorlike, and the Ood thing is a perfect example. It's just...gross. But what the episodes REALLY needed was more Ida. LOVED HER.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 07:30am on 14/12/2008
It's okay - I've listened to that commentary more times than I've actually watched The Five Doctors, since I downloaded the commentary but don't have the episode itself. I just love listening to them geek out about Old Who and remember obscure actors names and talk about their fannish experiences and stick "Of Rassilon" on the end of everything. There are parts of the commentary track I can, no lie, recite. :D

I forget, sometimes, how much I liked her in Season 1, since she was my first companion as well. There are so many issues surrounding her and what she represents as far as fandom that she herself gets lost, and that's a shame. And then...one of the reasons I didn't like her appearances in S4 is that she became a stand-in for her fandom issues; her character was subsumed by them. And...yeah, I want to like Ten, since I fangirl Tennant in an embarrassing way, but sometimes he just doesn't feel like the Doctor to me, and that troubles me because it makes the moments when he does...I don't even really know how to put it.

Anyway, yes. More Ida. I think she was probably the strongest of the secondary cast, since even though I liked Zach he got stuck in the control room for a lot of the time. I found her very human and very interesting to watch.
 
posted by [identity profile] gorengal.livejournal.com at 07:44am on 14/12/2008
I just rewatched TIP and TSP a few days ago and have been mulling over some thoughts of my own. I agree that the Doctor should have had some things to say about the Ood as slaves, but I think he was too busy despising himself for stranding Rose. Ultimately, though, the fault lies with RTD and writer Matt Jones for screwing up his character's continuity. RTD sort of addressed this by bringing the Ood back in season 4...he has acknowledged that the Ood got shuffled aside by the Beast in TIP/TSP.

I do think it's interesting that it's Donna in PotO who is so bothered by the slavery...seems like the Doctor is lagging behind again on that point. Remember the scene where Donna points out that the Ood are born holding their brains, hence their peaceful, trusting natures...and the Doctor looks a bit surprised, like "Oh yeah, hadn't thought of that."

Although, one thing still bothers me about the Doctor and the Ood...he tells Donna he can hear their lament of captivity ALL THE TIME. So, how is it he can ignore their slave status??

Back to TIP/TSP, I really liked the Zach character, played by Shaun Parkes. He also appeared with DT in Casanova, and was so good in that.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:01am on 14/12/2008
I agree after that point, but I'm pretty sure there were some moments before the TARDIS got lost where he was introduced to the Ood, or was at least within earshot when Rose was introduced to the Ood. I would've expected him to speak up then, if nothing else. That said, I just sort of expected this to be ignored, so I'm actually quite impressed that Team Cardiff recognized that they slipped up there and tried to address it, at least, in Planet of the Ood. Even if the Doctor didn't seem much quicker on the uptake there...it's been a while since I've seen PotO (haven't got an *ahem* reliable source), but I think I thought of the Doctor's distance as actual discomfort, considering that he couldn't save them (and hadn't spoken up for them) before.

Was that Shaun Parkes? He was one of the names getting tossed around for a potential Eleven, early on. I actually wouldn't mind that if they could handwave away the resemblance. But, yes, I did like Zach. I wish he got to do a bit more outside of the main control room, but I think he was very watchable considering he was sitting there shouting into a microphone for a lot of the time.

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