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Maybe there should be a "writing wittering" filter as well? I don't know. I have too many filters.
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I decided, for some reason, that the Doctor and Liz should have a conversation about string theory in a fic I'm writing. Or rather, a conversation in which the Doctor tries to explain superstring theory and Liz tells him he's full of it.

And, in order to make them have a conversation, I figured I should know something about it myself.

Yeah, five hours on Wikipedia later, I still don't know crap. I may have sort of a vague idea about what bosonic string theory is about (which is the version Liz would be familiar with, probably, unless her era takes place prior to 1974, and which is flawed in major ways, explaining why Liz would dismiss it), but superstring theory? I've been following every wiki link and staring at it for hours (when I should have been working, mostly) but I still couldn't tell you what it even vaguely means.

Moral of the Story: Don't make your characters talk about things you don't understand. Which is hard when they're both supergenius omnidisciplinary scientists.

Of course, I could probably just make stuff up for the Doctor's dialogue, given that Time Lords have probably progressed beyond string theory entirely and moved into, I don't know, yarnball theory or something. And, from what I can tell, string theory is somewhat incomptible with the Whoniverse, considering the Whoniverse's presentation of alternate universes (which don't make a lot of sense to begin with, but shush). And, strictly speaking, I know no one but me is actually going to care whether or not their technobabble is accurate.

But still. This one detail and my extant curiosity about string theory have eaten up so much time and I might not even include their conversation in the finished fic. Boo.
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Also, the anonmeme has made me want fic in which Jo Grant is Ianto Jones' mother. And in which Ten learns of this. And in which he then tries several highly subtle methods to find out if Ianto is half Time Lord.

[livejournal.com profile] rhia_starsong informs me that there's already quite a lot of fic out there where Ianto is half Time Lord, but that none of them use mommy-Jo fanon. Which seems odd to me, because, really, if you're going to have him be half Time Lord, making him Jo's son is really the easiest way to go about it*.

Oh, don't look at me like that. It's better than having another renegade Time Lord out there copulating with humans, isn't it?

*Not that I endorse this proposition, because I am still a Bio major, and the idea that humans and Time Lords can reproduce with one another sets off all my You Fail Biology Forever, Ficcer alarms. But I...might be willing to sacrifice it for Ten's double-take upon seeing Ianto. And the awkward conversations with Jo to follow.

You'll note that I didn't say I'd sacrifice those objections for half-Time Lord Ianto, just for the implication that he might be. I have PRINCIPLES, dammit.


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posted by [identity profile] livii.livejournal.com at 08:20pm on 08/11/2008
All I can say about string theory: xkcd.
Edited Date: 2008-11-08 08:20 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:37pm on 08/11/2008
*snort* I hadn't seen that strip yet. Oh, xkcd. I love you and your geekiness.

I've been reading up on the theory so much that the ideas behind it are actually starting to make a strange sort of sense. The theories itself aren't, mind you, but I can see why some of them were proposed.

Of course, then you get to superstring theory, which is by and large a bunch of physicists making crap up.
 
posted by [identity profile] pimpmytardis.livejournal.com at 08:34pm on 08/11/2008
I hate that problem too. I can't even bullshit it properly, I fail science so much. Hey, by your logic, Time Lords invented the Large Hadron Crocheter!

Also related to your topic and webcomics, there is some delightful Jo/Cliff from the kinkmeme supporting the theory. It also mentions the Ianto's father was a tailor issue from "Something Borrowed" that does seem to Joss Jo/Cliff.

But I haven't seen much else, so do write your version, You Fail Biology Forever aside. Possibly *because* of it.
Ten: How is that biologically possible?!
Jo: I don't know, I told you I never got that A-level in science!
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:03pm on 08/11/2008
I hadn't seen the Large Hadron Crocheter! Oh my god, that's brilliant. Eleven-dimensional knitting ftw.

The Jo/Cliff's brilliant too, actually, so thank you for pointing me to it.

I want to write it, I do, but Calapine basically already wrote it for Sarah Jane and Luke, didn't she? Of course, I...er...might write it anyway. For the lulz. Lulz are important.
 
posted by [identity profile] rainbowstevie.livejournal.com at 08:48pm on 08/11/2008
YARNBALL THEORY!! YES. MAKE THAT HAPPEN. On a completely separate note --

Not that I endorse this proposition, because I am still a Bio major, and the idea that humans and Time Lords can reproduce with one another sets off all my You Fail Biology Forever, Ficcer alarms
...wait, why, exactly? (*fervently hopes she did not set you off on another 5-hour tangent*)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:31pm on 08/11/2008
Well, if we're on string theory now, surely yarn theory must be next, since yarn's made up of several threads, yes? And then after that, you get lots of yarn, and it all curls in on itself and balls up until you have a great cosmic yarnball! IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

The way I see it is, humans and Time Lords don't share even a basic ancestral lineage - they're not even remotely related to humans. If they can even have sex at all - and it's quite possible that they can't - the two gametes contain such wildly different genetic information that the child-to-be would not have sufficient genetic instruction to be either a human or a Time Lord. Considering the problems that even slight changes in normal human gametes can cause for a fetus, a human-Time Lord hybrid would die long before it even became viable. There are a whole bunch of post-embryonic mechanisms in place to prevent crosses between such dissimilar species, but I don't remember them at the moment.
 
posted by [identity profile] rainbowstevie.livejournal.com at 09:47pm on 08/11/2008
If they can even have sex at all - and it's quite possible that they can't -
OK, if you insist upon going to complicated GENETIC places, I guess I can see the argument against reproduction (although, I dunno. My brain is pretty anti-logical-science when faced with 'but look at teh pretty!' Dear God, I'm using slash shipper/m-preg logic now, aren't I). But I was not aware *this* was even an issue, giving that the external physiology seems remarkably similar...
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:58pm on 08/11/2008
I mean, it's likely that Time Lords have compatible genitalia, since the few times that the Doctor's been nekkid, nobody's pointed said "the hell is that?". And, if they're built the same way, it seems unlikely that the function of said bits is much different. But, strictly speaking, we don't know that they are. And even with the matching equipment, they might have a different chemical signatures or mating habits that make sex difficult if not impossible.

I mean, I ignore that all the time too, for no better reason then "But I want to write cutesy morning-after scenes, dammit", but it's still something to consider. My squick by/irrational dislike for babyfic probably doesn't help.

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