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posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:11pm on 31/10/2008
I was under the impression that you could send one up until election day, at least for the general election? If it isn't, I'm a bit screwed.

Your analogy makes me want to watch Iron Man.

Do iiiit. It was really good. I generally like superhero movies anyway, but this one was genuinely well-acted and sharply-written. And if they were writing the Third Doctor today, he would be movie!Tony Stark. No lie.

People need to stop their damn whining about Ginsberg.

No kidding! I was all worried that his poetry would be word salad that none but the highest echelons of academia could even approach, but he's actually not so very far removed from many of the other poets I like. In content, maybe, but not in structure and poetic device. Heck, sometimes he reminds me very strongly of Whitman.

(And thus far, Howl's been way easier to get through than The Waste Land. I can't comment on respective quality, because they're such different poems, but Ginsburg's actually the more readable of the two.)
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posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 05:28pm on 31/10/2008
I find Howl to be rather straightforward. A long run-on sentence, but straightforward. And lovely. And, yeah, I think Eliot's meaning is harder to catch. ...I do like him too, though.

I think one of my favorite Ginsberg's is "On Burroughs' Work," which advises through the use of symbolic language that you always make your meaning clear. XD So...yeah, I don't think he utterly obscures his own meaning.
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posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 05:47pm on 31/10/2008
I do like Eliot, but I hadn't read The Waste Land before now, and it's frustrating me a bit. I'm trying to just read it the first time through, and go back for the footnotes later, but if I do that I have no idea what's going on, and if I don't the cross-checking breaks the flow of the poem for me.

I hadn't read "On Burroughs' Work"; I'm assuming he's referring to William Burroughs? I have to admit I've yet to read Burroughs, too, still being somewhat intimidated by him. But perhaps if Ginsburg's more understandable, than I thought, Burroughs might be as well? Hmm.
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posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 07:28pm on 31/10/2008
Yep, William Burroughs. My cousin would scream with rage at you that Naked Lunch makes no sense, but she did go into the book knowing nothing of Beatniks because she liked the cover and gave up a third of the way in.
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