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Not like you could avoid it if you were on the internet at all today, but I suppose I should spoiler-cut it nonetheless.



...Is it bad that my first thought, upon hearing the news, is "I wonder how long it will take for the internet to explode"?

To be honest, I kind of figured that Tennant would leave after the 2009 season, since the gap year seemed like a good way to ease him out, and he's been taking on other jobs and things, so I can't say I'm shocked.

But still. While I've had my issues with Ten's writing, I'll be sad to see Tennant go, since he's a wee enthusiastic little fanboy and I love listening to his commentaries, interviews, and everything. And there was something uniquely heartening about seeing someone who used to be such a fan live his dream.

On the other hand, he's had a three-year run - he'll have a four-year run by the time he bows out. That's longer than many other Doctors got. And I think he's done a fairly good job of it, even when the scripts were less than spectacular, and really, what else can Ten even go through at this point? It feels like his story, over the course of the specials, can come to a natural conclusion, like he can complete his character arc.

And I'm looking forward to what Eleven will bring. I'm looking forward to a new direction for the series, new blood and new ideas. Such is the nature of the show, and while my first transition (Nine to Ten) was hard, I think hanging out in Old Who fandom has made me a little better at moving on.

So, au revoir and bon voyage, Ten. It's been fun. Occasionally frustrating, but fun.

Anyway. I originally had a few meta-ish thoughts on the Second Doctor's era, but they all boil down to a relatively simple observation.

The thing I've realized, while re-watching The Seeds of Death and Tomb of the Cybermen (and thus earning a new Whovian convert, hurrah) is that, out of all the Doctors I've seen, Two seems like the happiest of all of them. Not that his stories were all sunshine and roses, because they weren't, but Two seemed the most comfortable out of all of them with traveling, and, to an extent, with his own identity. By the time he'd reached his second incarnation, he'd started to shake off the burden of being an exile, thinking of himself as a traveler (and thus a citizen of the universe) rather than an outcast. (and thus a citizen of a certain race/people, but cut off from them). He seems truly happy to be exploring, like he's chasing new horizons purely for the sake of doing so and not because he has nowhere else to go. Not that One was never happy, but from what I've seen of One, he still had a melancholy edge to him, and the reminder that he was indeed an exile, that he was traveling in an old and broken spaceship because he couldn't go home again, still hung in the air (see The Massacre, for example).

Two, I feel, has started to come to terms with his life, to be comfortable with his travels, with who he is, and, significantly, with the TARDIS as "home" (he calls it as such in Tomb of the Cybermen). He's learned to walk among humans while neither obliterating or emphasizing his alien nature; Two passes for human fairly frequently and easily, and sometimes doesn't bother to correct people when they assume he's human - he doesn't need to, unless he feels he's being insulted.

And, more to the point, he seems more at ease around humans. After the initial confusion of his regeneration, he gets along quite well with Ben and Polly; he comforts and supports Victoria when she needs it; he helps teach Zoe how to be human even though he isn't himself; and, of course, he finds his one true soulmate in Jamie XD. (Confession: I am a hypocrite. Normally, I am all about how departure is part of a companion's arc, and every companion has got to leave sometime, etc, etc, etc, but I really, truly think that if it hadn't been for The War Games, Jamie would have stayed until he died. I really believe it. I can't imagine him leaving of his own free will.)

Of course, part of that is just Troughton being made of win; Two onscreen has such a palpable joie de vivre and curiosity and wonder; he seems at once restless and yet content with being restless, in a way that no other Doctor really does.

And it almost makes me teary, watching that, because I can't help but remember that it all gets taken away from him, and he's left with Issues for the rest of his lives. I don't think he was ever quite as happy and quite as fulfilled as he was when he was Two. Three's got all his attendant issues with confinement and destabilization and identity; Four starts out with almost the same kind of zeal that Two had, in the wake of his release from exile, but by Season 17 we can already get the sense that he's starting to burn himself out, that being in one place for so long has distorted his sense of who he is and what he does, and now that the initial burst of energy is gone he doesn't quite know what to do with himself (heck, you can see this as early as Pyramids of Mars, if not earlier). Then we get to Five, who seems (to me) to overcompensate for that directionlessness by becoming not only reserved but distinctly self-sacrificing. Still haven't seen enough of Six and Seven to know how the Issues carry over from Five, but I'm certain that Six getting mindscrewed by his own people (again) doesn't help one bit. And then we get to Eight, and the Time War, and whatever else happens with Gallifrey and the Doctor's head in whichever Eight canon you're following. And from hence spring Nine and Ten and Time Lord Emo. I'm interested to see where this heads with Eleven, actually, because the character arc strikes me as fairly consistent. Depressing, yes, since talk about peaking early, but consistent, nonetheless.

Sigh. Two serials may be my comfort food, good for feeling warm and fuzzy, but at the same time, coming off of New Who, seeing how happy the Doctor could be back then gives it that grim note that I can't quite shake.

I had another bit of thinky-thoughts here regarding Three/Brig, Three/Delgado!Master, and power dynamics, since yes actually I have been inordinately musing on the topic since I posted That Fic What I'm Vaguely Ashamed Of, but I think that will have to wait until the morrow, since I am tired and my brain is beginning to feel foggy and weird. Of course, that makes three posts now that I'm setting aside for the weekend, so I suspect I'll spend much of Friday night blogging like crazy.

Still not doing NaNo. Contemplating doing [livejournal.com profile] wrisomifu, if only for its name, but at this stage I'm wary of signing up for anything, since I've already got pending ficathon deadlines and Chemistry has started to get difficult again. (Speaking of which, have Cliche Ficathon prompts gone out yet? I just don't want to get caught short, is all.)

I can't believe it's almost Halloween, guys. I haven't got a costume or anything. I haven't even thought about a costume, because it's all seemed so far off. I don't know what I'm going to do about that.
location: cold dorm of coldness
Music:: "Winds of Sand" - Atlas Plug
Mood:: 'it's so cold in my room, guys.' it's so cold in my room, guys.
There are 14 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com at 03:28am on 30/10/2008
I agree with your thoughts about the Second Doctor 10000000%. Especially the part about Jamie. He never would have left the Doctor and the Doctor never would have let him go. AND DIDN'T says my own personal canon.

But back to the Second Doctor. His love of adventure and general joy are what will always make him my favorite incarnation. The only other Doctor that comes close is Eight. Yeah, there is all the time war shit, but Eight had a hell of a long run and for so much of it he is so full of joy. Thinking of just the audio canon (I'm not a huge fan of the EDAs) right up until the divergent universe stuff, he has a HELL of a lot of the Second Doctor's attitude in him.

I can't even deal with the rest of what you said, though. Not right now. I started reading it and got too upset. I don't think I'll ever get over what the time lords did to Two.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:26pm on 30/10/2008
AND DIDN'T says my own personal canon.

SEASON 6B. I cling to it. Sometimes I just repeat the phrase, apropos of nothing in particular, and I feel better about the world.

Thinking of just the audio canon (I'm not a huge fan of the EDAs) right up until the divergent universe stuff, he has a HELL of a lot of the Second Doctor's attitude in him.

I suspected that audio!Eight might have been the more cheerful of the two, if only because book!Eight goes through so much crap that it amazes me he's not completely out of his mind. Or maybe he is, I'm not sure. This is why I keep hesitating on the post-TV canon, you see.
 
posted by [identity profile] jcgenzie-and-co.livejournal.com at 03:39am on 30/10/2008
I am so cold. So so so cold. I forgot how cold and drafty Belk is... I should have remembered how cold I was when I was in Belk Sophomore year... I even went to the docotor thinking something was wrong with me because I couldn't seem to get warm (well there was something wrong with me, but that's beside the point).
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:29pm on 30/10/2008
ME TOO. Only I swear it wasn't this cold last year. It can't have been. I don't remember being cold all the time, especially not this relatively early in the year.
 
posted by [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com at 03:52am on 30/10/2008
Ooh, this is lovely meta on Two (and One) to read now that I'm literally one episode of "The Tenth Planet" away from Troughton. And yes on Four's burnout, too, though I like to think of it as his living an entire "life," so to speak, from the zeal of youth to decay, decline, death.
Edited Date: 2008-10-30 03:52 am (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 08:56pm on 30/10/2008
I like to think of it as his living an entire "life," so to speak, from the zeal of youth to decay, decline, death.

Good point; I hadn't thought of it that way. It does raise the question of whether Two would have gone through the same process were he around longer, since even disregarding real-life timelines Four's probably the longest-lived of all of them, with the possible exception of Seven or Eight.

I can't quite think of Four's as a whole life, though, since a part of his youthful enthusiasm seems to be such an overt, conscious effort to not be who he used to be (like avoiding UNIT, or even Earth as a whole). It doesn't seem to me like he's really starting from the beginning. He's trying to, but he isn't quite managing it. Or something. Um. You know, the minute I hit "post", I'll think of a way to explain exactly what I mean, but it's not coming to me right now.

Tenth Planet's still one of my favorite episodes, and probably my third-favorite Cyberman story after Invasion and Tomb of the Cybermen, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it. And on Ben and Polly, naturally.
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 04:12am on 30/10/2008
"On the other hand, he's had a four-year run - he'll have a five-year run by the time he bows out."

...no, he'll have a four year run. s2, s3, s4, specials.

Ten is my first live experience of a Doctor leaving. Er, will be my first.

Two is totally the happiest. Like, I didn't look at it necessarily look at it in terms of how he feels about his life, but the perkiest, friendliest, least self-separating, least likely to go into the moments of scary gravitas (though, on rarer occasions than the others, he sure does and he sure is mind-blowing at it). It's kind of weird thinking of him as the Doctor sometimes. But he's awesome. (Eight, in my limited experience of him, would seem like the other truly light-hearted one, and he's got a different kind of elegance to him that makes him...different. Also, he's probably less prone to Two's occasional pouty tantrums. XD)

And totally on Jamie. I mean, I definitely think there's the rule about companions from a meta point of view, but from an in-story point of view, I can point at a number of companions who, given their choice, I think would've stayed with him forever. (Susan, if only out of obligation, Jamie, possibly Zoe unless she found what she considered an even bigger challenge, Sarah despite all her outward protests, probably Adric, Ace [who I think did stay until she died]...) And in and of itself, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It doesn't mean you're not your own person, it can just mean you've found this amazing thing you want to do with your life and an amazing friend you'd like to stick around with, and why not? The difference is just in the attitude you take toward the choice.
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 04:15am on 30/10/2008
I think the carryover from Five to Six is Five finally blowing over from all the self-repressing and...uh, giving into the fiery raging desire to throttle people.
 
posted by [identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com at 05:20am on 30/10/2008
Seriously. And Seven's Machiavellian tactics are a reaction to being manipulated and fucked-over as Six. Trial of a Time Lord would leave ANYONE with control issues.

And then Eight's, well, flightiness is a reaction to the stress of being Machiavellian Seven.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:24pm on 30/10/2008
That makes perfect sense, actually. XD

Perhaps that'll be my assignment for the remainder of the gap year, though - watching me some Six and Seven. I've seen more Seven than before, but Six remains a great unknown and that's wrong.
 
posted by [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com at 03:31am on 31/10/2008
Yeah, I'm desperately low on my Six and Seven knowledge compared to the other eras.
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:18pm on 30/10/2008
...no, he'll have a four year run.

*facepalm* DUR I CANNOT COUNT. Thank you for correcting me. Fixing the post post-haste.

I didn't look at it necessarily look at it in terms of how he feels about his life, but the perkiest, friendliest, least self-separating

Yes! That's what first struck me about him, and what makes me think he's also the most content and self-realized of the lot. He's cheerful and warm in a way you really can't be if you're in the middle of a long, drawn-out identity/existential crisis. I really should check out the EDAs and audios, since my familiarity with Eight is limited to the TVM, fics, and what other people tell me about the post-TV canon. He seems reasonably cheerful, but I've not witnessed such firsthand.

I can point at a number of companions who, given their choice, I think would've stayed with him forever.

I can't see Susan as staying forever, since I feel like she'd grow up and some point and decide to leave, but yeah, I think were the needs of the show and the actors not a restriction, there are a few companions who I could imagine staying on until they died. And I don't think that in and of itself is a bad thing, I just wanted to distance my sentiments re: Jamie from the "there's no point to the show now that [Companion X] is gone!" attitude that floats around fandom, seemingly oblivious to the way the show works. (Gosh, speaking of the internet backlash re: Tennant's stepping down...)

(Ironically, I have no icons of any of the companions whom I think might have stayed forever. Bother.)
 
posted by [identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com at 05:22am on 30/10/2008
You're totally right about Two and Jamie and the Doctor's overall character arc. (And I've got my prompt for the Cliche Ficathon, so you might want to check for yours.)
 
posted by [identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com at 09:35pm on 30/10/2008
Season 6B, man. Sometimes I just repeat that phrase to myself when I'm watching Two. I feel better remembering that Jamie doesn't have to leave.

And I've got my prompt for the Cliche Ficathon, so you might want to check for yours.

Beh, I'm not surprised, since AOL's decided recently that it doesn't like me anymore. *wanders off*

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