I'm not sure why my mind applies hard brakes so soon as those aspects are equated with a parent-child relationship, but it does. Maybe because there's no fail-safe for consent in a parent-child relationship? With two adults, either one can walk away at any time, even allowing for complicated emotional attachment. With parent-child relationships, the child has diminished legal status and is unequivocally dependent upon the parent. They can't call it quits if the power dynamic sours. :/ Also, well, this isn't really something people can be objective about. I'm just guessing here, but you, Muppet, probably don't want to have sex with your own parents.
i am judging you to be AWESOME. this sounds muy muy interesting, especially since the role reversal is so extreme. The Doctor is so mentally advanced that he sometimes infantilizes adult humans, and now Brig gets his cuddly revenge....
I wasn't aware of its prevalence in the British military, so that makes a little more sense in context. Oh pfft, you watched Mutiny and Retribution, the Hornblower movies. I know you did because Paul McGann yelling broke your brain. Remember Wellard getting the snot caned out of him? :( Gene Roddenberry wanted Kirk to be Hornblower in Space, but I don't think he intended that to be a part of it. >P
What's interesting here is that I feel the need to lean heavily upon the British mode, since they're historically more brutal with their children (CP in schools, death and destruction in Doctor Who, etc.) with the sort of pragmatism born from life that is "nasty, brutish, and short." ST:TOS, of course, is pure American idealism; children should be coddled and protected from potential hardship, rather than be toughened up so they can better endure inevitable hardship. So yeah, Pike administering corporal punishment is an odd fit, but I'm all gung-ho about tweaking the universe anyway so why not throw that in the mix, too?
Oh, and just to clarify-- Pike will totally tell Kirk to "Drop and give me twenty!" on a regular basis. >P
it adds yet more layers to the whole thing because Pike's trying to drag Kirk out of his own messes but is doing that by, you know, taking a whack at him if he has to. That breaks my heart, actually, because Kirk does not react well at ALL and packs up all his stuff to leave the Academy before he realizes (maybe after talking with Bones) that if he leaves, then he just got the shit bet out of him for nothing. It takes him months before he can talk to Pike again, though, and IT'S SO SAD because Pike had the best of intentions and the worst of options. :(
But, ha ha, talking about LAYERS, check out Act II. I haven't quite ironed all this out yet, but by second year or so Kirk has come to terms with what happened and figures out how this whole Starfleet thing works (the first punishment occurred very early in his first year.) So he screws up again, not enough that he'll get expelled, but enough that his number of demerits would disqualify him from a test or course or whatever that he wants, so he suggests to Pike that they do it again.
Pike is like, "WTF NO. WE ARE NOT MAKING THIS A HABIT." but Kirk argues that he is being pragmatic by making a short-term, physical sacrifice in order to facilitate his long-term career goals. He is extremely persistent, and basically forces Pike to do something he really, really doesn't want to. So this time, Pike is pissed as hell whereas Kirk sails out of his office, feeling sore but accomplished.
I don't know if this is Kirk's demented revenge, if he's getting a high off the act (again, Daddy Issues ahoy!) or if he really is just making a logical decision. O.o
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I'm not sure why my mind applies hard brakes so soon as those aspects are equated with a parent-child relationship, but it does.
Maybe because there's no fail-safe for consent in a parent-child relationship? With two adults, either one can walk away at any time, even allowing for complicated emotional attachment. With parent-child relationships, the child has diminished legal status and is unequivocally dependent upon the parent. They can't call it quits if the power dynamic sours. :/ Also, well, this isn't really something people can be objective about. I'm just guessing here, but you, Muppet, probably don't want to have sex with your own parents.
i am judging you to be AWESOME. this sounds muy muy interesting, especially since the role reversal is so extreme. The Doctor is so mentally advanced that he sometimes infantilizes adult humans, and now Brig gets his
cuddlyrevenge....I wasn't aware of its prevalence in the British military, so that makes a little more sense in context.
Oh pfft, you watched Mutiny and Retribution, the Hornblower movies. I know you did because Paul McGann yelling broke your brain. Remember Wellard getting the snot caned out of him? :( Gene Roddenberry wanted Kirk to be Hornblower in Space, but I don't think he intended that to be a part of it. >P
What's interesting here is that I feel the need to lean heavily upon the British mode, since they're historically more brutal with their children (CP in schools, death and destruction in Doctor Who, etc.) with the sort of pragmatism born from life that is "nasty, brutish, and short." ST:TOS, of course, is pure American idealism; children should be coddled and protected from potential hardship, rather than be toughened up so they can better endure inevitable hardship. So yeah, Pike administering corporal punishment is an odd fit, but I'm all gung-ho about tweaking the universe anyway so why not throw that in the mix, too?
Oh, and just to clarify-- Pike will totally tell Kirk to "Drop and give me twenty!" on a regular basis. >P
it adds yet more layers to the whole thing because Pike's trying to drag Kirk out of his own messes but is doing that by, you know, taking a whack at him if he has to.
That breaks my heart, actually, because Kirk does not react well at ALL and packs up all his stuff to leave the Academy before he realizes (maybe after talking with Bones) that if he leaves, then he just got the shit bet out of him for nothing. It takes him months before he can talk to Pike again, though, and IT'S SO SAD because Pike had the best of intentions and the worst of options. :(
But, ha ha, talking about LAYERS, check out Act II. I haven't quite ironed all this out yet, but by second year or so Kirk has come to terms with what happened and figures out how this whole Starfleet thing works (the first punishment occurred very early in his first year.) So he screws up again, not enough that he'll get expelled, but enough that his number of demerits would disqualify him from a test or course or whatever that he wants, so he suggests to Pike that they do it again.
Pike is like, "WTF NO. WE ARE NOT MAKING THIS A HABIT." but Kirk argues that he is being pragmatic by making a short-term, physical sacrifice in order to facilitate his long-term career goals. He is extremely persistent, and basically forces Pike to do something he really, really doesn't want to. So this time, Pike is pissed as hell whereas Kirk sails out of his office, feeling sore but accomplished.
I don't know if this is Kirk's demented revenge, if he's getting a high off the act (again, Daddy Issues ahoy!) or if he really is just making a logical decision. O.o